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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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Tom A. wrote:
Thanks Gerard. I guess paraphrasing Mark Twain's famous quote might be appropriate:

"The report of my (company's) death is greatly exaggerated!" ;-)

Unfortunately, it appears that the confluence of the "share the ride" promotion and the PON announcement encouraged some folks (perhaps with an axe to grind?) to pop up and take some pot shots...

BTW, my impression of the sales of Cervelo at our local shop (a relatively small retailer) are that they are fairly healthy, even without any "share the ride" participation. In fact, I was in there yesterday and was told that they'd sold at least 5 to 6 S5's in the last week alone (none of them part of the promotion either).


It does not impress me that a bike shop "sold 5 to 6" of arguably the hottest road bike on the market right now in the week that includes Christmas. In fact, that seems a little disappointing to me.

Ummm...considering that it's, like I said, a SMALL shop (in a SMALL market), the owner is out of town, his lone employee has been managing the store by himself, AND they've only been open 3 days out of this week (as of yesterday when I popped in)...I'd say that was a pretty healthy rate. Especially considering, as I also said, none of those sales were the result of the "share the ride" promotion.

But, maybe that's just me...

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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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Gerard, thanks for the update.

It is a sore point with me when ignorant people use statements like "buy (insert country here) products". We no longer have country companies for the most part. Most of these Companies are owned by many people and groups. And like you've explained with Cervelo, just because manufacturing is in Canada (well Quebec but everyone outside of Quebec figures they are in Canada /pinkoff), doesn't make them a Canadian Company when a majority of ownership is Dutch (or does it?)

In any case, nice to see your response.

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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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just saying THX for posting this.

Happy New Year to all.....

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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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Gerard-
Wow, not the answer I was expecting. I really do appreciate industry leaders like you who are part of this and other forums and I certainly don't want to give the impression that I am "pouncing" or "attacking" when that is not my intention at all. However, given the informative, direct and possibly rough OP, I am surprised that you took a "pass" when asked about one of the more controversial aspects of the Cervelo buzz as of late. Like others here on this board, I want to know how the Share the Ride deal really affects the LBS. The LBS seems to be having a tough time swallowing this deal and I would like to know why. Is there any chance that another Cervelo rep could shed some light on this or maybe you could check and get back with us?
I was seriously considering getting back on the tri bike this summer and the P2 with the discount was too much to resist. Once inside the LBS, however, I came away with a less than favorable impression of the deal and the way Cervelo handled the promotion. I realize that I am nobody important, but I think that others out there are starting to come away with the same feelings. Seems like something that should be cleared up IMHO.
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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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You are right.
That is a very impressive total.



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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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Gerard, thanks for getting involved here. It's never good to let repeated rumor start to become fact! You should probably take it as a compliment that so many people were so concerned. Cervelo produces such good product that we've all got a lot to lose if something goes wrong, so plenty of people are going to reflexively jump to worst case scenarios. The S5 really changed the game with what road bikes a lot of people want to buy now, particularly with the outstanding price of the "entry level" model. Feel free to do the same with the P5 ;)

If possible, however, I too would be interested in a response on how "Share the Ride" impacts the bottom line of our local bike stores.
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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [cincytri] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Cincytri,

You are somebody important, you're a consumer, aren't you? But I don't think that I should be talking about something I don't know the details of right after I write about my disappointment with people talking about something they don't know the details of.


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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [aftereffector] [ In reply to ]
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Fair point!

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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the insider anecdotes. While I don't believe you really shared any new facts about the situation (which is part of the beauty of operating a privately held business) , I agree participation in this forum by you and other industry insiders is hugely beneficial to the community.

But surely you can understand how the public might come to the doom and gloom conclusions discussed here based the the limited information that was publicly available and the timing of the release of that information. Even those with the most basic understanding of corporate finance would likely connect the dots in such a way as to suggest the business is in distress (financially...obviously you have a powerful and loyal customer base and excellent, market-leading products).

That being said, there seemed to be a lot of people talking out of their proverbial asses...but hey, internet.
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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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Who are you again and what is your affiliation with Cervelo?
I am just kidding ;0)
One question though what kind of bike do you ride ?

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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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If anything was rendered "obsolete" by cervelo, then cervelo would win races.
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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [Chuck Finley] [ In reply to ]
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Chuck Finley wrote:
If anything was rendered "obsolete" by cervelo, then cervelo would win races.

can't tell if stupid, or a troll



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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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As an owner of P4 and a P3C and ride a ton of miles on both, thank you for stepping in and setting the record straight..The trouble with forms is that anybody can say anything without any proof. Enough b/s and some will believe it without checking the facts. Yes I am a Cervelo man. I have owned many brands some good but not great like my P4 and P3C. Happy New Year looking forward to the P5
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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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jackmott wrote:
Chuck Finley wrote:
If anything was rendered "obsolete" by cervelo, then cervelo would win races.


can't tell if stupid, or a troll

Both.
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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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Please bring back the S1/Soloist for the alloy dorks:)

I have had 3 Velo's, 4th is currently on it's way to me.
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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [cincytri] [ In reply to ]
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I want to know how the Share the Ride deal really affects the LBS.


I think Cervelo is under no obligation to explain the dynamics of their arrangement with their dealers to us customers.

And with all due respect, I find it a little tasteless to keep hounding them on this subject. If you are a retailer, there are other channels for taking it up with them than a consumer-centric forum.


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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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It took Specialized 4 years to develop the Venge, a bike which according to their own people was slightly less aero than the Cervelo S3 it was measured against. And then after 2 months it was rendered obsolete by the S5.

Enough said.

Long live Cervelo!!!!!!!!

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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [Bmanners] [ In reply to ]
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I ride a Cervelo :-)

Seriously though, I ride an R5vwd and I have an S2. And lately I have been mountain biking as well.


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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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gerard wrote:
I ride a Cervelo :-)

Seriously though, I ride an R5vwd and I have an S2. And lately I have been mountain biking as well.

I know where you can pick up a cervelo mtb



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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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Please make a mountain bike. That would be awesome. I'll even test ride/race it in xterra's and cross country races for you and give you feedback.
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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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gerard wrote:
I ride a Cervelo :-)

Seriously though, I ride an R5vwd and I have an S2. And lately I have been mountain biking as well.

So you're saying Cervelo has an unreleased mountain bike ;)

Keep up the good work over there. I also wanted to thank you for doing everyone right on the 2009 p4 issues, You guys sent me a brand new 2011 with zero hassle and its all built up ready to go for next season. Thanks again
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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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Funny guy. When I'm back home I'll take a photo of my mountainbike to dispel any rumors.




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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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Gerard,

I've already got a pic.

PON needs to bring the aero MTB to production.

Love the Lefty and Mavic CrossMax SLR wheels.





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Re: Cervelo - actual facts [Chuck Finley] [ In reply to ]
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Chuck Finley wrote:
If anything was rendered "obsolete" by cervelo, then cervelo would win races.

Like the 70.3 champs? We do know what the Vegas/Kona champ rode when he chose a bike absent sponsorship considerations...
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