Zero chance of any mass start races happening in 2020 and small chance in 2021.

Zero chance of any mass start races happening in 2020 and small chance in 2021.

The country is "still at the beginning" of the coronavirus crisis and will have to live with the virus for a long time, Merkel told Germany's parliament. "Nobody likes to hear this but it is the truth. We are not living through the final phase of this crisis."

England's Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty said Wednesday that the probability of having a vaccine or treatment "anytime in the next calendar year" is "incredibly small."

On Thursday, Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon also indicated there will be no changes to coronavirus restrictions in the short term, warning that a full "return to normal" might not happen until next year. "A return to normal as we knew it is not on the cards in the near future,"

I understand this perspective but don't fully agree. I think there's a chance for 2020, but certainly July seems really aggressive.

Honest inquiry and not necessarily aimed at you...

People keep talking about large gatherings happening in the fall. How? What's different between April 21st and September 1st? We won't have a vaccine and we won't likely have any proven treatments that are anything more than a bandage on a gunshot wound. The only thing keeping us somewhat safe is social distancing. That's not going to be any different four or five months from now.

I agree that some aspects of society and business can and should reopen. Ease up on some of the draconian shutdown measures. Retail, hospitality, restaurants, common office environments, etc. With strongly enforced and encouraged social distancing, hygiene, and the like. I can see allowing some small crowd gatherings of less than 50 but even that scares me. There's no way we can allow crowds of hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands within close proximity of each other. Can't happen now, can't happen in September. Do we really think any scenario in which we could allow 500/1,000/3,000 triathletes or 20,000 runners or 30,000 concertgoers or 70,000 football fans or 100,000 Disney World customers to chew up the same real estate is at all acceptable. It's not. It's just plain stupid.

I'm not opposed to certain segments of business and society opening up. I have no issue with my state (Florida) opening the beaches as long as the restrictions are enforced. I have no issues with allowing restaurants or small shops to reopen as long as they do a good job of keeping people well spaced. There are certain business segments that are just not going to be able to move forward until there's a vaccine or some amazing treatment. I would not want to be a business in which their entire business model is predicated on gathering a lot of people into the same general area. Ironmans or Boston Marathons are one thing but imagine something like Disney or Las Vegas or Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines. They're fucked for awhile.

Zero chance of any mass start races happening in 2020 and small chance in 2021.
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Like I asked before.....

Disagree 100%. Once we get through large scale population testing and realize that millions have been exposed already with little negative impact and that the actual mortality rate is a fraction of 1% (and skewed to unhealthy elderly folks) things will get back to normal quickly.

That's for sure. There is zero chance that any of the f#ckers will let go of the absolute, unchecked power they are wielding right now. Merkel already moved the goalposts 4x

1. initially she said that once the infections won't double in 10 days, that will be the criteria for beginning to lift the lock down.
2. that was achieved quickly, and then she changed it to 30 days.
3. that was achieved too, so she then changed to R0 being lower than 1.0.
4. that was achieved as well, so that the methodology for calculating was changed.
5. even after that change, R0 stayed below 1.0 for 7 days. Merkel's response - let's just cancel all discussions, otherwise we will be swept up by the 2nd wave of c19.

Yeah, good luck getting her to cancel the quarantine. Same thing for the UK...

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because even semi intelligent people are too scared to speak on many topics due to the social shaming.

Disagree 100%. Once we get through large scale population testing and realize that millions have been exposed already with little negative impact and that the actual mortality rate is a fraction of 1% (and skewed to unhealthy elderly folks) things will get back to normal quickly.

Are you suggesting that a typical road race starting line, triathlon swim start corral, or volunteer aid station are NOT places where the virus could be transmitted between people?

I understand this perspective but don't fully agree. I think there's a chance for 2020, but certainly July seems really aggressive.

I think everyone should consult ST before they do anything.

I am constantly stunned by the levels of risk some are prepared for others to take.

There is no doubt that the level of infection is way beyond the tested and confirmed numbers. And every day informed people who believe they are being careful after 3 months of public warning, are infected (let alone die). In the US it's in the tens of thousands a day, in Canada it's a similar amount by population size. A million people may have been infected in the US, which means there's only 369 million to go. That's a big number. Should take a while.

So less than 2 months from now, some on here are expecting mass start races to take place. Notwithstanding the thousands of participants, these races require thousands of, paid organizers, unpaid volunteers, plus medical, emergency and police services. Not to mention the setup and cleanup crews. Oh, and there might be a few spectators. Some of those racers will want to come from outside that area, outside the province or state, outside the country. You going to put them up in home stays, because good luck with the hotels, airlines, bus lines, train services.

Even as daft as he is, can you see Trump lifting any restriction cos' you wanna race! He's a such an exercise fan eh? You want to talk to Cuomo, who's watched 15,000 die about your need to race. And for the Ontarians on here, you think Ford gives a flying....about some race, because he sure and heck won't be firing the starters pistol. Quebec ?, maudit anglais tabernak!

Now lets talk about the lawyers lining up at the finish line with their business cards. assuming the race gets any form of insurance. And who's going to sign off on those risks for themselves or their children, who are most of the race course volunteers.

The good news is most of the people lining up (with their guns...whoa) claiming their inalienable rights, none of those fat fuckers will be in any race, cause they're the biggest virus the US has these days.

This ain't some GD cold or flu, the symptoms alone put people in weeks, months of recovery, some with permanent damage. And pssst...some are still testing positive and remain a risk. Typhoid Mary by the dozen.

Oh yeah sure there'll be racing in 12 weeks, because 12 weeks ago it was only going to last a week.


Get a grip people.