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Power meter for BMC TM02?
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I recently bought a Stages PM for my BMC TM02, but discovered that the Ultegra direct mount rear brake does not have enough clearance. I really do not want a hub-based PM (I switch wheels from training to racing) nor am I looking for a new shoe system (a la Garmin and Look). Anyone have suggestions for a moderately priced PM that fits this bike, prioritizing convenience and reliability over absolute accuracy? Ideally in the $600 range, but willing to spend more if that limits options.



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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [RudeDude] [ In reply to ]
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1) If you are using Shimano Cleats. You can get the Garmin Vector 2S and Shimano Cartridge kit. I haven't had any major issues with this setup.

2) Watteam Powerbeat (requires self installation of power meter) should also work.
Last edited by: bloodyshogun: Apr 17, 17 14:07
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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [RudeDude] [ In reply to ]
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RudeDude wrote:
prioritizing convenience and reliability over absolute accuracy?

You realize for something to be reliable, it needs to be accurate right?


I'd be looking for a used SRM or quarq for your price range.

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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [bloodyshogun] [ In reply to ]
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bloodyshogun wrote:
1) If you are using Shimano Cleats. You can get the Garmin Vector 2S and Shimano Cartridge kit. I haven't had any major issues with this setup.

2) Watteam Powerbeat (requires self installation of power meter) should also work.

Perfect. I did not realize that was an option! This should do the trick.

And stevej, I should've known that I'd get a smart aleck comment on that. What I MEANT was that I just want something that properly functions and doesn't drain batteries. I don't need wattage every millisecond, calibrated to temperature and humidity in the most accurate methodology possible.

2017 races: St. George 70.3 May 6 | Madison 70.3 June 11 | IM Zurich July 30 | Chicago Marathon October 8
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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [RudeDude] [ In reply to ]
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+1 I swapped from Garmin/Look to the Ultegra body kit. Made a world of difference, they feel much better.

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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [RudeDude] [ In reply to ]
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I am also looking for a power meter for my new BMC Timemachine. With Stages I have made bad experiences. About the Garmin many complain in my cycling club. I also use Speedplay pedals. On my road bike I drive an SRM Rotor 3D Powermeter. I am very satisfied with this.


On my list, however, the new Dura Ace Powermeter stood at the top. But this is not available and I believe there will be problems with the clearance...


The following power meters are on my list (prices in Euro):


Power2Max Grossamer - 1107 EUR
SRM Rotor 3D - 1500 EUR
Rotor 2INPower - 1562 EUR

I have not decided yet. Let's see what will be written here :-)

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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [Cyclenerd] [ In reply to ]
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You can get the previous-gen power2Max Type S for significantly less than these prices. The Rotor 3D models are much nicer than the FSA Gossamer, but even the carbon-crank FSA version is under a thousand euros. The Type S is pretty damn great, and I wouldn't hesitate to pick one up at those prices (I ride the original p2m and it's great).

(disclaimer: I have worked for one of the companies mentioned in this thread, not p2m, and ridden almost all of the mentioned products)

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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [Cyclenerd] [ In reply to ]
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You can get a Power 2max for cheaper than 1100 eur, more like 740 for a grossamer (would not know if this is a downgrade for you though, for my bike it was an upgrade).

I have read so many issues people have with power meters but my P2M works more than perfect, had it for half a year not one problem and still on same battery.
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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [lassekk] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry, I was somewhat inaccurate. 1107 EUR is the price for the new power2max NG FSA Gossamer Megaexo with chainrings and screws. A old power2max type S would of course be a possibility ... About power2max I have also heard nothing negative.

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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [RudeDude] [ In reply to ]
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You can get a Pioneer installed on the drivetrain side. Doesn't stick out at all so no clearance issues.
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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [amos] [ In reply to ]
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Ran into the same issue with the frame and stages. Ended up replacing the rear brake to give the stages clearance. Did you contact stages prior to ordering the PM? The reason I ask is I sent stages a photo of the ultegra stock rear brake to confirm the clearance issue in case any other customers ask the same ?.
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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [RudeDude] [ In reply to ]
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I've used a P2M and SRM on my TM02. I got one of the chain catchers with a magnet for the SRM. I found the magnet kept coming loose otherwise.
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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [tessar] [ In reply to ]
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tessar wrote:
You can get the previous-gen power2Max Type S for significantly less than these prices. The Rotor 3D models are much nicer than the FSA Gossamer, but even the carbon-crank FSA version is under a thousand euros. The Type S is pretty damn great, and I wouldn't hesitate to pick one up at those prices (I ride the original p2m and it's great).

(disclaimer: I have worked for one of the companies mentioned in this thread, not p2m, and ridden almost all of the mentioned products)

Answering a few comments here...

Power2Max would be great - either one of Rotor 3D, FSA K-Force Light or FSA Gossamer - but I'm having difficulty deciphering the types of BBs. My TM02 has a PF86. I've read that this is the same as BB86 and other places say that BB386EVO cranks will fit. Looking to the PMs, the Type S Rotor 3D is compatible with BB86 Pressfit. I believe this will NOT work. The K-Force Light and FSA Gossamer are compatible with BB86 and BB386EVO. I believe these WILL work. Is that correct?

amos, if I were to get a Pioneer, don't they all come with either dual leg or non-drive side cranks? Are you suggesting buying the dual leg and not installing the other crank?

Skip, I didn't contact Stages prior to the purchase, but I did speak to several LBS and none brought up this issue. Perhaps they assumed I have the integrated BMC brakes found on the TM01. Stages was helpful in providing suggestions for alternative brakes, but I decided not to go that route.

2017 races: St. George 70.3 May 6 | Madison 70.3 June 11 | IM Zurich July 30 | Chicago Marathon October 8
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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [RudeDude] [ In reply to ]
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They come pre-installed on a crank in either dual leg or left leg.

But you can send in your crank(s) to get any combination installed: left-only, right-only or dual side.
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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [RudeDude] [ In reply to ]
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RudeDude wrote:
tessar wrote:
You can get the previous-gen power2Max Type S for significantly less than these prices. The Rotor 3D models are much nicer than the FSA Gossamer, but even the carbon-crank FSA version is under a thousand euros. The Type S is pretty damn great, and I wouldn't hesitate to pick one up at those prices (I ride the original p2m and it's great).

(disclaimer: I have worked for one of the companies mentioned in this thread, not p2m, and ridden almost all of the mentioned products)

Answering a few comments here...

Power2Max would be great - either one of Rotor 3D, FSA K-Force Light or FSA Gossamer - but I'm having difficulty deciphering the types of BBs. My TM02 has a PF86. I've read that this is the same as BB86 and other places say that BB386EVO cranks will fit. Looking to the PMs, the Type S Rotor 3D is compatible with BB86 Pressfit. I believe this will NOT work. The K-Force Light and FSA Gossamer are compatible with BB86 and BB386EVO. I believe these WILL work. Is that correct?

amos, if I were to get a Pioneer, don't they all come with either dual leg or non-drive side cranks? Are you suggesting buying the dual leg and not installing the other crank?

Skip, I didn't contact Stages prior to the purchase, but I did speak to several LBS and none brought up this issue. Perhaps they assumed I have the integrated BMC brakes found on the TM01. Stages was helpful in providing suggestions for alternative brakes, but I decided not to go that route.

Fellow TM02 owner here. Your best bet imo is the Rotor 3D. PF86 is effectively a press fit bb for shimano size spindles, so the Rotor 3D works. A Rotor 3D+ won't work unless you get a special BB. The Rotor 3D+ is effectively a 386EVO crank (i.e. 86 mm wide but 30mm spindle.) 386EVO can be made to work with the frame (that's what I'm running) but it requires that special adapter bb and I generally don't advise it. You're squeezing a big spindle in a tiny shell which means the bearings are tiny.

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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [IKnowEverything] [ In reply to ]
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IKnowEverything wrote:
RudeDude wrote:
tessar wrote:
You can get the previous-gen power2Max Type S for significantly less than these prices. The Rotor 3D models are much nicer than the FSA Gossamer, but even the carbon-crank FSA version is under a thousand euros. The Type S is pretty damn great, and I wouldn't hesitate to pick one up at those prices (I ride the original p2m and it's great).

(disclaimer: I have worked for one of the companies mentioned in this thread, not p2m, and ridden almost all of the mentioned products)


Answering a few comments here...

Power2Max would be great - either one of Rotor 3D, FSA K-Force Light or FSA Gossamer - but I'm having difficulty deciphering the types of BBs. My TM02 has a PF86. I've read that this is the same as BB86 and other places say that BB386EVO cranks will fit. Looking to the PMs, the Type S Rotor 3D is compatible with BB86 Pressfit. I believe this will NOT work. The K-Force Light and FSA Gossamer are compatible with BB86 and BB386EVO. I believe these WILL work. Is that correct?

amos, if I were to get a Pioneer, don't they all come with either dual leg or non-drive side cranks? Are you suggesting buying the dual leg and not installing the other crank?

Skip, I didn't contact Stages prior to the purchase, but I did speak to several LBS and none brought up this issue. Perhaps they assumed I have the integrated BMC brakes found on the TM01. Stages was helpful in providing suggestions for alternative brakes, but I decided not to go that route.


Fellow TM02 owner here. Your best bet imo is the Rotor 3D. PF86 is effectively a press fit bb for shimano size spindles, so the Rotor 3D works. A Rotor 3D+ won't work unless you get a special BB. The Rotor 3D+ is effectively a 386EVO crank (i.e. 86 mm wide but 30mm spindle.) 386EVO can be made to work with the frame (that's what I'm running) but it requires that special adapter bb and I generally don't advise it. You're squeezing a big spindle in a tiny shell which means the bearings are tiny.

I followed up with customer support and he had the same advice. He also ran the 30mm spindle on TM02s for his team, though it sounds like he didn't use a special BB. Instead, he used a Dremel and sandpaper to clean out the shell where the BB was sitting. He also added that I should check to make sure the Di2 cables are high enough to fit the spindle, but I think this only becomes a concern with the Rotor 3D+.

I'm running the 2017 TM02 with Di2.

2017 races: St. George 70.3 May 6 | Madison 70.3 June 11 | IM Zurich July 30 | Chicago Marathon October 8
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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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+1. If you go with the Quarq (I'm on a Quarq D-Zero w/ a 2016 TM01), note that your bottom bracket may need replaced/swapped out. I had to do that w/ mine.
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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [b-rudy] [ In reply to ]
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b-rudy wrote:
tessar wrote:
You can get the previous-gen power2Max Type S for significantly less than these prices. The Rotor 3D models are much nicer than the FSA Gossamer, but even the carbon-crank FSA version is under a thousand euros. The Type S is pretty damn great, and I wouldn't hesitate to pick one up at those prices (I ride the original p2m and it's great).

(disclaimer: I have worked for one of the companies mentioned in this thread, not p2m, and ridden almost all of the mentioned products)


Answering a few comments here...

Power2Max would be great - either one of Rotor 3D, FSA K-Force Light or FSA Gossamer - but I'm having difficulty deciphering the types of BBs. My TM02 has a PF86. I've read that this is the same as BB86 and other places say that BB386EVO cranks will fit. Looking to the PMs, the Type S Rotor 3D is compatible with BB86 Pressfit. I believe this will NOT work. The K-Force Light and FSA Gossamer are compatible with BB86 and BB386EVO. I believe these WILL work. Is that correct?

Shooting the P2M folks a message is probably the best way forward. However, FWIW, the Rotor 3D uses the Shimano 24mm spindle which will, given the right BB/adapter combo, work on basically every single bike ever produced (exempting ancient frames with weird threading). No manufacturer would dare to make frame that doesn't accept Shimano cranks, and I consider that a pretty great feature for a crank.

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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [Cyclenerd] [ In reply to ]
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I would like to write a short note that I chose an SRM Origin PowerMeter with DuraAce 9100 chainrings. The Origin PowerMeter has a 30mm axis. So I had to change the bearings. A good time to upgrade to Ceramic.


In the beginning I had problems with a grinding chain on the front derailleur. The problem is, there is very little space between derailleurs and crank arm. The Origin PowerMeter is very modular and I could solve the problem with Spacer.


Thumbs up. Do not regret the decision.

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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [Cyclenerd] [ In reply to ]
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Cyclenerd wrote:
IThe Origin PowerMeter is very modular and I could solve the problem with Spacer.

Cool. Yea, SRM is trying to move to one power meter that will fit everything (or pretty much everything) with an exchangeable spindle and spacers. Will be interesting to see how it works out. It looks sweet, but pricey. Haven't used it myself yet.

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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [SkipS] [ In reply to ]
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SkipS, which brand and model of rear breaks did you replace the original ones?
Just to confirm, which year model is your BMC TM02?

Thx

GmoMia
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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [GmoMia] [ In reply to ]
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GmoMia,

EE brakes by Cane Creek - https://www.canecreek.com/...akes-levers/eebrakes

I have the 2017 TM02.

Very happy with the brakes. Easy to adjust/center.

Good luck!
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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [SkipS] [ In reply to ]
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Thx SkipS.
That is one of the options that the Support team from Stages just recommended as well.

Best,

GmoMia
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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [GmoMia] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks everyone for this thread. Same situation with the Stages arm. I upgraded the rear brake to the Cane Creek eebrake as well.
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Re: Power meter for BMC TM02? [derv88] [ In reply to ]
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Same bike. Same initial problem. Bought a dual sided Stages PM and just use the crank side (RHS). Works great. Sold the LHS power meter for nearly retail.
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