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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [grzeg1] [ In reply to ]
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There is a new firmware since Monday so maybe try to update.

I just upgraded right now and still nothing with the Stride.

You're just supposed to Pair Device and it should find it automatically, right? That's how I remember doing it the first time. Take a few steps, stand in place, with the shoes on, and the V800 is just searching and searching and never finds anything :(
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [TX911] [ In reply to ]
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Chris, I tried HR during swimming today for the first time and my expreience is:
1. Started Swimming training out of water. HR ok. Submerged sensor&watch. No HR for 30 sec. Just -- sign. Gave up. Stood up. HR ok. Stopped training.
2. Started Swimming training with watch&sensor submerged. HR ok. Stood up. HR freezed just for 2-3 sec. HR ok. Submerged. No HR for about 10 sec. Then HR returned. Repeated several times - same results. Started swimming. HR seemingly ok besides stops when I stood up and then submerged again. Stopped training.

Looking at session 2 in Flow it seems there were intermissions besides my stops but I can't tell because there is no other data but time and I'm not much of a swimmer yet.

So for now I'm not satisfied with HR under water. Maybe it still reconnects to BTLE above water? Then a sport profile setting to enable/disable separately BTLE and GymLink (like enable/disable GPS) would be nice. It could
also address problems other people have with unreliable connections when biking etc. So you can set e.g. biking: only BTLE, swimming: only 5khz.



I'm on the latest 1.0.12 firmware.

In general the belt has to be very tight, to the point of discomfort or it will slip or flip upside down. It seems under water it will stretch more so there is less discomfort. Also the sensor is not very aerodynamic - maybe it could use some aerodynamic adapter for less drag?
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [GatorDeb] [ In reply to ]
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GatorDeb wrote:
grzeg1 wrote:
There is a new firmware since Monday so maybe try to update.


I just upgraded right now and still nothing with the Stride.

You're just supposed to Pair Device and it should find it automatically, right? That's how I remember doing it the first time. Take a few steps, stand in place, with the shoes on, and the V800 is just searching and searching and never finds anything :(

Some people resolved H7 issues by taking out battery for a few minutes or replacing battery. You could try it with Stride.

Also question to Chris: will we get a battery low alert from sensors? I know that classic Bluetooth Polar belt I was using with my smartphone before provided battery level info.
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [flogazo] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the explanation. I can confirm my Garmin Edge 810 does a very good job with incline (accuracy and low latency) with just GPS. I don't use the speed sensor that came with it. I really hope Polar has on their roadmap to support incline without a speed sensor. Even if I were given speed sensors for free I don't want to hassle with them putting them on my bike, different pairs of shoes, etc.
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [grzeg1] [ In reply to ]
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grzeg1 wrote:
GatorDeb wrote:
grzeg1 wrote:
There is a new firmware since Monday so maybe try to update.


I just upgraded right now and still nothing with the Stride.

You're just supposed to Pair Device and it should find it automatically, right? That's how I remember doing it the first time. Take a few steps, stand in place, with the shoes on, and the V800 is just searching and searching and never finds anything :(


Some people resolved H7 issues by taking out battery for a few minutes or replacing battery. You could try it with Stride.

Also question to Chris: will we get a battery low alert from sensors? I know that classic Bluetooth Polar belt I was using with my smartphone before provided battery level info.

Whoohoo that worked, thanks!

If you're ever in Vegas, I owe you a beer :D
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [TX911] [ In reply to ]
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A word of warning... while this is a good way to see if you are connected via BT, I have noticed that most of the time when my V800 has failed to connect to my HR belt, it was BECAUSE my iPhone had already connected to it. So... if you do use this method to test your connection, I would strongly recommend telling your phone to "forget" the connection afterwards. In fact, I'd suggest that you do that anyway as it will ensure more reliable connections.
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [grzeg1] [ In reply to ]
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I have a similar experience... I now do the connection with at least the belt submerged. In my last swim, I got a heart beat quickly. I started swimming. It lost my heart beat almost immediately and took a minute to reacquire it. It held it for 45 seconds then lost it for 30... then it kept it perfectly for the rest of my swim (about another 38 minutes). I agree that it needs to be better - but it is WAY better than it used to be.

I also agree with you on the strap. I have to make it VERY VERY tight... and even then I need to avoid pushing off the wall hard and even then every 4-5 laps I need to readjust it while swimming. This needs to be improved.
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [mecrtp] [ In reply to ]
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Even Suunto has the problem with the heart rate monitor in the swim (That it won't stay on your body, or flipping the sensor). Not sure what they can do about this, more than making the strap more "rubbery".
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [hinke] [ In reply to ]
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I've thought about that. Making the strap wider and/or stiffer around the electronics module would probably do it. I have a hunch that you could make an add on part that might get the job done. If you could widen the base (top to bottom) and make the top sit closer to your chest (more hydro dynamic), it might do the trick. You'd think that someone would come up with a solution...
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [mecrtp] [ In reply to ]
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I don't have either watch (Suunto or Polar), I am still doing research. Not sure how much I would use the pulse for swim metrics. I am also not sure how the strap holds up against pool water. I swim three times per week. They must have been aware of this problem, so it seems strange that the strap is acting the way it does.
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [hinke] [ In reply to ]
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I haven't had it long enough to tell you how the elastic in the band holds up to chlorine... I'd suggest being diligent about rinsing it and hoping for the best. I suspect that that will be an issue with any of them.

To level set... I'm a 53 year old over the hill guy who used to be a swimmer in college. I just started swimming again to break up my cycling. I do 2500 yds twice a week in 35-45 minutes depending on the workout. I'm playing with the HRM as a toy. I've used it to judge how hard I am working and also to set recovery times by HR instead of the clock. I've found it to be of interest. I also like getting "credit" on Flow for the exercise as it frustrated me when it didn't count :-) In general I've found that the HR7 strap holds if I push off the walls moderately. If I push off hard, the strap roles off every time. It is frustrating... and it wouldn't be hard for them to design around. It happens because the profile of the plastic enclosing the electronics catches the water and there isn't enough surface area to keep it from flipping.
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I use a Mio Link optical wrist HRM. BT transmission works fine in water when I have it next to the watch.

I practically only use the H7 for the orthostatic test. I find the wrist HRM much more comfortable .
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [Oskar] [ In reply to ]
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Oskar wrote:
I use a Mio Link optical wrist HRM. BT transmission works fine in water when I have it next to the watch.

I practically only use the H7 for the orthostatic test. I find the wrist HRM much more comfortable .

Just too bad its not even remotely as accurate...
I have the Mio Link too, wish I didn't.

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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [Jon_R] [ In reply to ]
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Hmmmm... one vote for and one against. I wasn't planning on a Mio Link, but I have to say that I was eyeing the Mio Velo when it comes out. Perhaps 2nd generation is better. I also need the bridge for power - which they haven't yet declared support for. Now I'll have to watch reviews carefully. Thanks.
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [mecrtp] [ In reply to ]
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I tried a Mio Alpha for rowing, and didn't get it to work for more than a few strokes every session. It seems that the arm movement is far too much for the Mio to cope with, and any "blood pumping" signals are lost...
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [mecrtp] [ In reply to ]
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mecrtp wrote:
Hmmmm... one vote for and one against. I wasn't planning on a Mio Link, but I have to say that I was eyeing the Mio Velo when it comes out. Perhaps 2nd generation is better. I also need the bridge for power - which they haven't yet declared support for. Now I'll have to watch reviews carefully. Thanks.
Take a look at DCRainmaker's review. http://www.dcrainmaker.com/...link-first-look.html. He says that the pre-production strap he was testing was good, but the production one he got was not. So maybe there are some issues with mass production.
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [mecrtp] [ In reply to ]
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My observations from today's and yesterday's tests of HR in the water:

Taking H7 out of water and then submerging results in 20-30 sec. HR loss.

Steps to verify:

1. Start Swimming session out of the water. Wait until you get HR.
2. Submerge just the watch. HR still displayed.
3. Submerge H7. No HR. (--) Wait 20-30 sec. HR displayed.
4. Get out of water. HR still displayed.
5. Repeat steps 2-3 - same results as before.
6. Swim without taking H7 out of water. No HR loss during swimming.

Can you confirm/deny?
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [grzeg1] [ In reply to ]
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On the swim side with the H7 - if you're still experiencing issues after the last firmware update, give us a ring. 800-227-1314 in the US.. polar.com > select your country if you're outside US for contact deets.


Ray actually headed over to our HQ early this week, we also shared some timelines with him on updates. Definitely worth the read: http://www.dcrainmaker.com/...nd-scenes-polar.html & in the interest of time I've copied his post on our updates.


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V800 Firmware 1.1 Release – End of September/1st Week of October
- Adds power meter support for Bluetooth Smart power meters (see this for full details)
- Adds stride sensor improvements, including improvements in auto calibration and tweaks for manual calibration
- Adds ability to set pace/distance source as the internal GPS, or an attached footpod (a huge and welcomed change)
- Adds Interval Timer on watch for time and distance based intervals, including ability to set warm-up/cool-down – all from wrist, no computer required
- Touch TAP usability improvements, including ability to set as ‘off’ from the wrist (no computer required), as well as ability to set/change sensitivities
- Significant improvements in 3rd party sensor support
- Minor bug and usability tweaks
V800 Firmware 1.2 Release – End of October
- Add Indoor Swim Metric Support (stroke recognition for free, breast, butterfly, back, other), distance based on pool length, pace while swimming, stroke count, SWOLF.
- Add Daily activity user interface in wrist: Will show steps, active time, distance from steps, and active calories. Will also allow steps to scale beyond 100% (bar graph). Note, the time/home screen will show your percentage of goal, but not steps.
- Add Speed/Pace Zones for workout targets. Heart rate was already there, and power would be added in previous 1.1 release.
- Add Inactivity alerts on V800. On-watch notification at 50-minutes, then inactivity marker recorded at 60-minutes.
- Add activity goals to V800 (similar to Polar Loop). Flow will also enable this for V800-only users (today requires Polar Loop)
- Minor bug and usability fixes
The big focus here is really on swim metrics and activity monitoring. They decided to split up the swim pieces and get the indoor features out sooner, and then follow-up with the openwater swim support in the next update, knowing that with the exception of the folks Down Under, most would appreciate indoor that time of year over openwater.

V800 Firmware 1.3 Release – TBD Q4 (by end of year)
- Add Openwater Swim Metric support
- Add Android V800 Flow App support (specifically December 2014)
- Additional TBD & TBA fixes/tweaks/features

September Flow Release:
- Add Power Meter Analysis Components
- Add Power based targets for workout creator
- Add Data Export (GPX/TCX)
- Add RR recording (including out of activity testing) analysis on Flow, and export of raw unfiltered data
Last edited by: Chris@Polar: Sep 3, 14 7:21
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [Chris@Polar] [ In reply to ]
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Chris...

I'm smiling like a baby!!!

PS: did you happen to see my previous post, regarding measurement of indoor/racket sports?

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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [Chris@Polar] [ In reply to ]
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Hi, I haven't had any sync issues until today. Every time I attempt to sync between the v800 and iPhone I get "sync failed." It isn't able to load any activity data beyond 1:20pm PT. I attempted to sync via cable to my laptop and also get an error and unable to sync activity data (although I was able to sync a fake session I created for the purpose of testing). I tried restarting my iPhone to no avail. Anybody seen this problem? Suggestions on how to fix it or work around it?

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The specific error message I get on my iPhone is "Syncing data with the v800 failed. Please try again." I searched Google for this error message and found one other customer complain about it. He Bluetooth re-paired between his v800 and iPhone and said that fixed the problem. However, I re-paired and still have the problem. The good news is that activity data is now sync'ing again as of 12:00am Sep 4 PT, but I am still missing the activity data from ~1:20pm PT Sep 3 until midnight of that day. Does anybody have further suggestions on how to get rid of this error message upon every sync (and ideally get my activity data from Sep 3 sync'd)?
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [Chris@Polar] [ In reply to ]
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I am still having the problem of my HR being dropped. I have as suggested, not paired my HR with any other blue tooth device and in fact didn't carry my Iphone with me today. I have also paired my watch with the HR and still I am getting drops. Chris or anyone any other suggestions? Other than that I have always loved Polar and have Polar watches going back to the 1980's!
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [coryalps] [ In reply to ]
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coryalps wrote:
I am still having the problem of my HR being dropped. I have as suggested, not paired my HR with any other blue tooth device and in fact didn't carry my Iphone with me today. I have also paired my watch with the HR and still I am getting drops. Chris or anyone any other suggestions? Other than that I have always loved Polar and have Polar watches going back to the 1980's!


A buddy of mine had the same problem, switched battery (the one already installed showed a full charge, but made the switch anyways) and everything was fine...
Personally Ive never had any issues, and I always run/cycle with my Jaybirds (bluetooth headset) connected to my iphone, no issues.
When I first got my V800 I even used my Garmin(bye bye) simultaneously using two heartstraps. No issues there either, riding over 4000km this summer.

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Last edited by: Jon_R: Sep 4, 14 5:51
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [Jon_R] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the quick reply, but I changed the battery last week.
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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [coryalps] [ In reply to ]
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coryalps wrote:
Thanks for the quick reply, but I changed the battery last week.

That sucks... get a replacement then?

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Re: Polar V800 - Ask me anything [coryalps] [ In reply to ]
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coryalps wrote:
I am still having the problem of my HR being dropped. I have as suggested, not paired my HR with any other blue tooth device and in fact didn't carry my Iphone with me today. I have also paired my watch with the HR and still I am getting drops. Chris or anyone any other suggestions? Other than that I have always loved Polar and have Polar watches going back to the 1980's!

Only one suggestion: Get it to us to fix, something is wrong ;0) Process is very simple, and feel free to use my name - start here: https://support.polar.com/...sf/Starting?openForm
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