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Physiological implications of power-duration models: no parameter directly representing VO2 max?
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I'm after some input for the physiology nerds on here - I'm curious that none of the power-duration models with good fit have separate terms for VO2 max (ie cardiovacular fitness) and anaerobic energy systems, but rather one term (W', FRC etc) that represents both. Is this a consquence of parsimonious modeling, or is it also representative of the underlying physiology?

Common training approaches seem to suggest doing different types of intervals to target anaerobic capacity and VO2 max, but if performance at durations over FTP and under Pmax are well modelled by a single parameter then this would suggest that the underlying physiological limiter is the same and there is no need (beyond trying to do somehting specific to the desired race) to try to train the VO2 max and anaerobic 'systems' with different approaches?
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Re: Physiological implications of power-duration models: no parameter directly representing VO2 max? [mitochondria] [ In reply to ]
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Can you give few exemples of the (power/time) models you are talking about ?
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Re: Physiological implications of power-duration models: no parameter directly representing VO2 max? [Pyrenean Wolf] [ In reply to ]
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2-parameter and 3-parameter critical power models (W'), Ward-smith (tau), and the wko4 model (FRC)
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Re: Physiological implications of power-duration models: no parameter directly representing VO2 max? [mitochondria] [ In reply to ]
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This old slide ware is making a reasonable summary of the issue (wko4 biased, of course).
https://slideplayer.com/slide/14105722/

But "describing" mathematically a curve is different than "generating" a curve based on physiology mechanisms.

8 hour perf, FTP, VO2, anaerobic (1mn), anaerobic (10s) performances are generated by very different trainings, because they are based on different and complex and interacting physiological mechanisms, which are really described by many parameters (more than a dozen, really).

Describing the resulting curve with a minimal amount of parameters is an interesting exercise.... but what is your objective ?

Finding the right training for your objective ? what is your objective ?
or
theoretical discussions on how to create a curve looking like another curve ?

Because, yes, it is possible to approximate a curve resulting from complex mechanisms, with only a simple formula, generally.
But :
1) it is only an approximation of the shape
2) very often, it does not describe the complexity of the underlaying mechanisms and the way to improve them, generally
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Re: Physiological implications of power-duration models: no parameter directly representing VO2 max? [mitochondria] [ In reply to ]
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mitochondria wrote:
Is this a consequence of parsimonious modeling, or is it also representative of the underlying physiology?

Parsimony.

"The purpose of models is not to fit the data but to sharpen the questions." -- Sam Karlin.
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