Paris Nice TT and visors

Mar 4, 12 6:58

Post #1 of 35 (8829 views)

While watching one thing jumped out was the number of riders (seemed like all) wearing visors. Searched and found some conflicting (older) threads on visors. Any new data and or personal experiences in the wind tunnel. I'm not one to just adopt what the pro tour guys do (they get paid to ride "x"), but to see so many, all with various helmet sponsors/and more money to be made selling sun glasses to the masses, makes me think that a visor is faster and the way to go.

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Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [+4W/Kg] [ In reply to ]

Mar 4, 12 14:16

Post #2 of 35 (8648 views)

It didn't seem to have hurt the winner Larson.

Other observations, Why did Voeckler have a water bottle behind his seat?It just looked stupid and out of place.

Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [+4W/Kg] [ In reply to ]

Mar 4, 12 14:39

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+4W/Kg wrote:

While watching one thing jumped out was the number of riders (seemed like all) wearing visors. Searched and found some conflicting (older) threads on visors. Any new data and or personal experiences in the wind tunnel. I'm not one to just adopt what the pro tour guys do (they get paid to ride "x"), but to see so many, all with various helmet sponsors/and more money to be made selling sun glasses to the masses, makes me think that a visor is faster and the way to go.

The visor is pretty much always faster. With some helmets/glasses it might be less of an advantage, but a visor is pretty much always faster. It is hotter, though, and can make it harder to get the helmet on, which is probably why you don't see them more often in triathlon.

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Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [bpcbuilder] [ In reply to ]

Mar 4, 12 14:59

Post #4 of 35 (8570 views)

More space for sponsor logos?
Saw that too and now thinking how short the race was, silly.

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Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [+4W/Kg] [ In reply to ]

Mar 4, 12 15:30

Post #5 of 35 (8507 views)

Tony Martin doesn't wear one... Not the fastest today but still... No visor.

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Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [bpcbuilder] [ In reply to ]

Mar 4, 12 16:45

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Voeckler isn't alone in doing that, a lot of the Rabobank guys do to. They all look stupid mind you but maybe they think its faster?

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Mar 4, 12 17:08

Post #7 of 35 (8367 views)

MOST guys are faster with visors (but not all). Levi wasn't using one as well and never has and I'm fairly certain he has test both in wind tunnel. Of course his position if quite a bit different than most. That doesn't mean that all pro riders have been to a wind tunnel and tested both, but I'm sure most of the big name TT specialists have.

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Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [rroof] [ In reply to ]

Mar 4, 12 17:15

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Might have a little to do with who has sunglass sponsors and who doesn't? Also, for years the only real helmet/visor option was Louis Garneau and if you weren't racing that, you were racing another brand with an LG visor taped to or somehow affixed to your brand helmet. Now there are a lot more options for aero helmets that come with built-in visors. The Specialized helmet doesn't have a visor (to my knowledge) which may explain why you don't see Tony Martin sporting a visor.

Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [bobby11] [ In reply to ]

Mar 4, 12 17:22

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bobby11 wrote:

Might have a little to do with who has sunglass sponsors and who doesn't? Also, for years the only real helmet/visor option was Louis Garneau and if you weren't racing that, you were racing another brand with an LG visor taped to or somehow affixed to your brand helmet. Now there are a lot more options for aero helmets that come with built-in visors. The Specialized helmet doesn't have a visor (to my knowledge) which may explain why you don't see Tony Martin sporting a visor.

Possibly - but I don't think so. Results matter and even 1-2 secs can matter a bunch at the pointy end of a time trial. Also, I'd wager all the big name teams have a "sunglass sponsor" - they can put em' on after on the podium for even greater exposure ;-)

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Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [bobby11] [ In reply to ]

Mar 4, 12 17:27

Post #10 of 35 (8325 views)

Also may have been because it was wet and overcast. Did anyone else notice that Taylor Phinney's skinsuit looked ripped open at the finish? Probably cost him a few seconds.

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Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [bpcbuilder] [ In reply to ]

Mar 4, 12 17:32

Post #11 of 35 (8310 views)

The water bottle wasn't there at the finish lol...

Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [beebs] [ In reply to ]

Mar 4, 12 20:05

Post #12 of 35 (8157 views)

I didn't notice that, but I thought it would be funny if it popped out over a bump.

Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [bpcbuilder] [ In reply to ]

Mar 4, 12 21:25

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Who is that Phinney kid ?

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Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [+4W/Kg] [ In reply to ]

Mar 5, 12 0:30

Post #14 of 35 (7988 views)

Anyone else notice that almost everyone stayed in the big ring and cross chained it up the hill? What is the advantage in doing that?

Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [beebs] [ In reply to ]

Mar 5, 12 5:52

Post #15 of 35 (7794 views)

If you look very closely at the photos f Levi it appears (to me at least) that he is wearing a clear visor and sunglasses under it.

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Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [bobby11] [ In reply to ]

Mar 5, 12 6:00

Post #16 of 35 (7769 views)

bobby11 wrote:

The Specialized helmet doesn't have a visor (to my knowledge).

I don't think it comes with one but they might have modified it with one: Tom Boonen.

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Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [+4W/Kg] [ In reply to ]

Mar 5, 12 6:02

Post #17 of 35 (7763 views)

Maybe he was using it as ballast to improve handling? :)

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Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [beebs] [ In reply to ]

Mar 5, 12 6:07

Post #18 of 35 (7748 views)

Confirmed to have ripped open by Phinney to Kevin Taddonio via twitter....

Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [beebs] [ In reply to ]

Mar 5, 12 6:08

Post #19 of 35 (7740 views)

Not dropping the chain and the FD shift is "slow". I'm sure the bikes are well adjusted but I bet almost everyone has had a misshift on a FD at one point in time.

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Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [bpcbuilder] [ In reply to ]

Mar 5, 12 7:41

Post #20 of 35 (7647 views)

I wondered the same thing. Why did Voeckler have a bottle behind his seat? It didn't seem necessary in such a short tt.

I wonder if he was just testing equipment or trying to market the Selle Italia Optima Teknologika.

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Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [NYSLIM] [ In reply to ]

Mar 5, 12 7:42

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NYSLIM wrote:

I wondered the same thing. Why did Voeckler have a bottle behind his seat? It didn't seem necessary in such a short tt.

I wonder if he was he just testing equipment or trying to market the Selle Italia Optima Teknologika.

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Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [NYSLIM] [ In reply to ]

Mar 5, 12 7:49

Post #22 of 35 (7621 views)

There is of course the fair bit of research suggesting that just the taste of sugar in your mouth will cause you to be able to push a little harder, instantly.

sometimes I have a wee bit of gatorade to swig, though I certainly don't *notice* this effect.

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Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [trener1] [ In reply to ]

Mar 5, 12 7:56

Post #23 of 35 (7608 views)

trener1 wrote:

If you look very closely at the photos f Levi it appears (to me at least) that he is wearing a clear visor and sunglasses under it.

I don't think so from this pic....

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Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [beebs] [ In reply to ]

Mar 5, 12 8:00

Post #24 of 35 (7588 views)

beebs wrote:

Also may have been because it was wet and overcast. Did anyone else notice that Taylor Phinney's skinsuit looked ripped open at the finish? Probably cost him a few seconds.

Did anyone else notice that Phinney was using an Adamo saddle? :-)

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Re: Paris Nice TT and visors [Power13] [ In reply to ]

Mar 5, 12 8:00

Post #25 of 35 (7587 views)

What are those reflections above his glasses if they are not from a clear visor?.

And in this photo the part of his helmet right above his glasses magically turned gray

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