Tom A. wrote:
Slowman wrote:
I would find it hard to justify riding this geometry at any price.
For me. B.B. too high. Stack way too high (I’d have to get a frame way too smal and try to lengthen it w/stem. I think fit will end up being pretty road-similar. Where the jury is out is on geom for handling. Really? Looks like it's smack dab in the middle of typical for a road racing bike:
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Most bike manufacturers have settled on 65-70mm of BB drop in their frame geometries for race bikes.
https://cyclingtips.com/...ry-of-bike-handling/ And "stack way too high"? I'm thinking that maybe some of your admitted difficulties in handling rougher conditions off-road might be related to that opinion...you might want to try raising your bars and moving them back slightly ;-)
edit: BTW, I looked up both a Synapse and a Slate (you have one of those, right?) and in a size 56 Synapse, the stack is only 2mm less than the Jari, while the size L Slate is only 10mm less. Also BTW, the BB drop of the Slate is actually LESS than the Jari (at 65mm vs. 67mm)...so, is the Jari
really as wacked geometry-wise as you infer? I'm not seeing it...
let's unpack this one piece at a time. my supersix evo, which has a pretty midrange road race geometry, in size 58cm has:
stack: 577mm
reach: 399mm
there's a lot more variance throughout the size run in stack than there is in reach, so, i'm really fitting more to reach. the closest in this fuji to matching my supersix's reach is the XXL, and that bike's geometry is:
stack: 628mm
reach: 397mm
were i to try to match the stack of my supersix, it would be the size M:
stack: 572mm
reach: 370mm
this means, if i ride the same road bar on both bikes, i'd need a 150mm stem on the fuji to make it work, which i reall don't want to do, because the front:center on that bike is at least 15mm shorter than what i'm riding now.
as far as this being "smack dab in the middle of typical for a road racing bike" i would ride a specialized tarmac/venge in size 56cm:
stack: 566m
reach: 395mm
this fuji is closer to roubaix geometry. it's taller than a synapse, cannondale's endurance geometry. it's taller than a roadlite, canyon's endurance geometry. it's taller than a defy, giant's endurance geometry. it's nowhere near the geometry of any of these companies' road race bikes.
i like that fuji lengthened the chain stay. i just don't like much of the rest of it.
as to the rest of it. yes, i own a slate. but i didn't design it. i did design the BB drop of my everyday gravel rider, which is my litespeed, and i gave that 75mm or 80mm of BB drop.
as to "admitted difficulties in handling rougher conditions off-road" i guess i'm grading on a curve. the sexagenarians are finding it not so easy to beat the old man now that he's back in swim/bike/run shape for the first time in a decade. but to your point, i'm quite happy with my litespeed's geometry. where i'm still experimenting is with tire pressure and tire profile.
but if you want to test the old man's capacity firsthand, up close, i'll give you advance warning of my racing schedule ;-)
Dan Empfield
aka Slowman