Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea?

Jul 17, 19 11:08

Post #1 of 42 (3925 views)

Racing IMLP in 1.5 weeks. Thinking about doing a local tri 8 days before (1mi/25mi/5mi) my A race. I recover pretty quickly (3-4 days) from soreness following olympic races and usually have been adding run volume in the afternoon following the race.

I'm a 10:XX IM'er and a 2:00 oly racer. With a very light final week following the oly, is it possible I'll carry fatigue into the IM race? I know there's nothing to gain from the oly for my IM, but if it's not going to hurt me at LP, i'd love to race.

Anyone done this before or have any insights?

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Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [DKMNTRI] [ In reply to ]

Jul 17, 19 12:31

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Yes,if you race the Oly full-on you will carry some fatigue into IMLP. It's not going to keep you from finishing, but I'm assuming that's not your goal. Eight days out you should be in taper mode, and a 2hr all-out effort is not part of that schedule.

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Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [DKMNTRI] [ In reply to ]

Jul 17, 19 12:46

Post #3 of 42 (3785 views)

I did an sprint a week before my 1st 140.6

I wouldn't recommend it (although i got a flat in the sprint... so i might have avoided it in the big race).

Swim was fine
Bike, i was super cautious (not really fun, too concerned about a crashing due to someone else doing something stupid) and running at closer to Ironman IF than i would fo a sprint
Run, just super easy and slow

Doing the transitions at race pace was a good
Too short to thinking about nutrition

I do the same thing as them, just slower

Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [DKMNTRI] [ In reply to ]

Jul 17, 19 12:58

Post #4 of 42 (3760 views)

DKMNTRI wrote:

I'm a 10:XX IM'er and a 2:00 oly racer....

This is interesting.

What are your goals for IMLP?

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Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [DKMNTRI] [ In reply to ]

Jul 17, 19 13:41

Post #5 of 42 (3715 views)

I was about to ask the same question except I am opting to do the Aqua Bike instead. (Oly distance) Mainly for the extra open water swim practice in a race environment. Take it easy on the bike and call it a day.

Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]

Jul 17, 19 13:52

Post #6 of 42 (3693 views)

ericMPro wrote:

DKMNTRI wrote:

I'm a 10:XX IM'er and a 2:00 oly racer....

This is interesting.

What are your goals for IMLP?

Goal is top 5 AG, which should require a sub 10.

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Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [DKMNTRI] [ In reply to ]

Jul 17, 19 14:20

Post #7 of 42 (3652 views)

Then you already know the answer...

DKMNTRI wrote:

ericMPro wrote:

DKMNTRI wrote:

I'm a 10:XX IM'er and a 2:00 oly racer....

This is interesting.

What are your goals for IMLP?

Goal is top 5 AG, which should require a sub 10.

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Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]

Jul 17, 19 14:30

Post #8 of 42 (3634 views)

ericMPro wrote:

Then you already know the answer...

DKMNTRI wrote:

ericMPro wrote:

DKMNTRI wrote:

I'm a 10:XX IM'er and a 2:00 oly racer....

This is interesting.

What are your goals for IMLP?

Goal is top 5 AG, which should require a sub 10.

I guess I do...I’ll rest these legs.

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Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [DKMNTRI] [ In reply to ]

Jul 17, 19 14:56

Post #9 of 42 (3597 views)

To what end? Make no sense what so ever

Lar Dog

Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [DKMNTRI] [ In reply to ]

Jul 17, 19 15:11

Post #10 of 42 (3572 views)

I raced the Kelowna Apple Oly the weekend before Challenge Penticton in 2013 and 2014. Small amount of physical fatigue for sure, but offset by how it really stoked the racing fire and seemed to even add a mental edge of sorts going into the iron distance.

Plus it was considerably more fun than sitting at home with taper flu trying to come up with ways to stay sane for another week.

Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [NateChampness] [ In reply to ]

Jul 17, 19 17:13

Post #11 of 42 (3482 views)

Read a book. Watch the Tour. Take a nap. Go for an easy walk. Roll the legs. Do some light stretching/yoga...

There are plenty of ways to productively use the taper time and not put fatigue into your legs if you are targeting the race. Just my two cents.

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Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [DKMNTRI] [ In reply to ]

Jul 17, 19 17:41

Post #12 of 42 (3456 views)

DKMNTRI wrote:

Racing IMLP in 1.5 weeks. Thinking about doing a local tri 8 days before (1mi/25mi/5mi) my A race. I recover pretty quickly (3-4 days) from soreness following olympic races and usually have been adding run volume in the afternoon following the race.

I'm a 10:XX IM'er and a 2:00 oly racer. With a very light final week following the oly, is it possible I'll carry fatigue into the IM race? I know there's nothing to gain from the oly for my IM, but if it's not going to hurt me at LP, i'd love to race.

Anyone done this before or have any insights?

I wouldn't be so concerned about the fatigue, I recover well too, I raced a sprint a week after IMWA. What I would be worried about is crashing on the bike and/or injuring myself, tearing a muscle etc Unlikely, but if you've trained for 3 months for your A race, you would be kicking yourself if you did pick up a niggle. That said, I often don't follow my own advice and if it was me, I would probably race the OD!

Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [zedzded] [ In reply to ]

Jul 17, 19 18:08

Post #13 of 42 (3434 views)

zedzded wrote:

DKMNTRI wrote:

Racing IMLP in 1.5 weeks. Thinking about doing a local tri 8 days before (1mi/25mi/5mi) my A race. I recover pretty quickly (3-4 days) from soreness following olympic races and usually have been adding run volume in the afternoon following the race.

I'm a 10:XX IM'er and a 2:00 oly racer. With a very light final week following the oly, is it possible I'll carry fatigue into the IM race? I know there's nothing to gain from the oly for my IM, but if it's not going to hurt me at LP, i'd love to race.

Anyone done this before or have any insights?

I wouldn't be so concerned about the fatigue, I recover well too, I raced a sprint a week after IMWA. What I would be worried about is crashing on the bike and/or injuring myself, tearing a muscle etc Unlikely, but if you've trained for 3 months for your A race, you would be kicking yourself if you did pick up a niggle. That said, I often don't follow my own advice and if it was me, I would probably race the OD!

That's a whole different ball of wax.

Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [DKMNTRI] [ In reply to ]

Jul 18, 19 4:29

Post #14 of 42 (3320 views)

I live in NYC and it is pretty tough run weather down here right now. An easy 10k in this heat feels like racing a 5K with a weight vest. This weekend forecast looks to be sewer like conditions. Save the body for Placid-unless you happen to be in the 50-54 men's age group! Good luck.

Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [SlowAmericano] [ In reply to ]

Jul 18, 19 8:57

Post #15 of 42 (3219 views)

Do the race. It will keep you in that quick transition state of mind, while others like to take a picnic in long events. Your training by now should be on point it's really should effect you... A taper means reduction in volume BUT not intensity

Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [synthetic] [ In reply to ]

Jul 18, 19 9:06

Post #16 of 42 (3213 views)

I think you meant to reply to the Op. I agree with keeping intensity up during a taper but racing in super high heat a week before an Iron ........why risk going way too deep?

Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [SlowAmericano] [ In reply to ]

Jul 18, 19 11:10

Post #17 of 42 (3172 views)

Acclimation? He can also do the race at his planned IM paces.

Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [synthetic] [ In reply to ]

Jul 18, 19 11:44

Post #18 of 42 (3148 views)

That's true- if that's the plan and you stick to it. If you end up actually racing.........

Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [synthetic] [ In reply to ]

Jul 18, 19 12:53

Post #19 of 42 (3103 views)

synthetic wrote:

Acclimation? He can also do the race at his planned IM paces.

If I raced, I would be racing all out...which is the reason I've decided not to race. I appreciate the feedback, but I think by the time I made the post, I realized it wasn't a great idea to race one week out. I'll do some intervals to stay sharp but not for 2 straight hours.

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Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [DKMNTRI] [ In reply to ]

Jul 18, 19 13:27

Post #20 of 42 (3085 views)

Are you in the M35-39 AG? If so, DO IT! lol. LP's gonna be my first full IM. I'm nervous as sh*t and am trying to keep my mind focused on the optimal taper. Good luck.

Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [synthetic] [ In reply to ]

Jul 18, 19 14:57

Post #21 of 42 (3055 views)

synthetic wrote:

Do the race. It will keep you in that quick transition state of mind, while others like to take a picnic in long events. Your training by now should be on point it's really should effect you... A taper means reduction in volume BUT not intensity

That's really poor advice. For so many reasons.......

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Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]

Sep 3, 19 12:37

Post #22 of 42 (2777 views)

A little late to reply...but i took the advice of most of you and didn't race the oly. I finished 5th AG in M30-34 and snagged a spot to Kona thanks to 2 roll downs! Who knows what would have happened if i did the race a week out, but I doubt the outcome at LP would have been any better! THANKS!

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Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [DKMNTRI] [ In reply to ]

Sep 3, 19 12:59

Post #23 of 42 (2724 views)

It would not be a very smart thing to do. What if you pulled something swimming? Or had some bad luck on the bike? Most Olympic distance races have their fair share of newbies to the sport and bike handling skills are normally lacking, all kinds of crazy things could happen. Same with the run. Too many chances for something happening that could ruin your full distance race. Rest. Relax. Check all your race gear/bike for problems. Prepare for the distance race!

Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [DKMNTRI] [ In reply to ]

Sep 3, 19 13:02

Post #24 of 42 (2714 views)

Congrats!!!

See? Doing things right *and* doing the right things together has its benefits.

See you in Kona.

Eric

DKMNTRI wrote:

A little late to reply...but i took the advice of most of you and didn't race the oly. I finished 5th AG in M30-34 and snagged a spot to Kona thanks to 2 roll downs! Who knows what would have happened if i did the race a week out, but I doubt the outcome at LP would have been any better! THANKS!

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Re: Oly race 8 days before IMLP a stupid idea? [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]

Sep 3, 19 14:03

Post #25 of 42 (2635 views)

It can be done, I raced AG Nationals oly, sprint. Then raced IMMT and did pretty good. It just depends on how well you can recover and what kind of athlete you are.

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