I recall seeing a picture of Julie's bike with the draft box someplace - her's is a Medium.

XS = 650 wheels.
Small = Draftbox is taller than frame
Medium = Draftbox is even with Frame
XL/Large = Draftbox is shorter than frame

Yeah, Julie is on a Medium.

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It's close but I think that footwerx is right. A person riding a 51cm Cervelo without any spacers and a low aerobar is probably not going to get quite as low on a small Speed Concept.

A 51cm Cervelo has a stack of 482, plus 1cm for headset top cap, 4cm for a stem, 1cm for aerobar stack and 1cm(if you have a taller aerobar or a -10/-6 stem). Thats 55.2cm of aerobar stack, give or take probably 1cm.

The small speed concept looks to be at it's lowest at 56cm according to Trek's fit guide.

Of course, I would imagine that most P4 owners are not running a - angle stem on top of a shot headset cap, but there are some I'm sure.

Where are you located. I'm going nuts trying to figure this out. I'm trying to find out what a lead time is on a Project one with standard paint scheme. THe website says they are stock and ship immediately. But I stopped in at a Trek store yesterday to see what they have and they said it was a 60 day lead time.

I'm just looking for estimated delivery times for a small frameset with the 9.9 color scheme (white/grey/black).

I would imagine that most P4 owners are not running a - angle stem on top of a shot headset cap, but there are some I'm sure.


Here's one. However, I'm also running Hed Corsair aerobars which are rather tall.

Just to let you know I am in Boise, ID and ordered my speed concept on the 21 or 22 of december and just got a call that it came in today. I was told febuary 16 or so before it would be in. The 60 thing is an estimate but once you place the order you get a more realistic number and bet they may be able to beat that. Mine is a medium stock color with rival parts.

I just sent you a PM.

These are pretty good numbers. When I measure my small SC the stack with no spacers on the aerobars come in at 56.7cm, If I were to mount the pads to teh bar like Heather's bike I would get to the ~54cm number, so you can get pretty low on the small with the 700mm wheels.

That's a new one to me. If you'd like to contact me via PM let's see if there's a swap we can work out...I'd like to see that stem & nut.

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Carl Matson

No...we want the dealer involved when it comes to components, particularly when size choices are involved. Certainly there are 100% dialled-in customers who already know exactly what they want and why, but there are just as many - if not more - who don't know or who might benefit from some discussion along those lines. The dealer site is also more real-time with respect to lead time updates - which themselves can be greatly affected by size choices among other things.

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Carl Matson

No problem. I understand.

Thanks to you and Runless for posting these pad stack numbers and comparisons. They were very helpful. Though my P4 does have a low profile headset cap, no spacers and a negative rise stem, the Corsair bars I use on it are ... well I guess I'd say they're crazy tall even when set up at the minimum. Consequently, my pad stack is 57.1 cms. The 56.7 cm figure you're saying you can hit with the small SC frame and the 100/10 stem matches what Carl has been telling me in PMs.

My wallet is starting to brace for a major impact.

Thanks Carl. I just sent you a PM.

do you know if you still get the draftbox with the xs?

the all white is pretty nice looking! clean and simple.

Except when said dealer is clueless about tri bikes and angles.

I fully admit to being like Cole Trickle from Days of Thunder, I don't know the terminology and engineering behind the vehicle I ride, but neither does the LBS I just talked with yesterday. Such as:

"We don't have a small frame, but these are pretty adjustable, we have a medium we can put you on"

"167.5 crank arms? No, you should be on 172.5, that's what all riders are on that are 5'9", you're giving up too much power"

"We have a regular 9 series and a WSD version, which are you looking for?" (the last I checked, I was a dude, but I could be mistaken)

I'm going to an indepedent bike fitter that is FIST certified. I already explained I would pay their fit fee and NOT buy a bike from them (I could be wrong) so I can get an objective fit free of prejudice (let my bike go!).

That being said, I really want to ride the difference between the 596, P4, SC 9. Like Psycholist, I think the small with 100/10 is about what I'll be looking at in the SC 9. I just want to make sure it's right.

The only thing different between the WSD and the "regular 9 series" is the paint job and the saddle.

It sounds like you went to an LBS that believed you wanted to buy a SC, and had one or more and wanted to help you acquire a speed concept.

I don't really see anything wrong with the interaction you had - sure the crank conversation could be a "bad" sign, but crank length is something that has a fairly wide school of thought and knoweldgeable people on ST are probably on the front wave of the current trend.

I am not sure that I would rely solely on the ST crowd for crank length advice, there are plenty of other people that have maybe more or better knowledge out there. It would be best to research and learn what all the pros and cons are from multiple sources.

'I don't really see anything wrong with the interaction you had - sure the crank conversation could be a "bad" sign, but crank length is something that has a fairly wide school of thought and knoweldgeable people on ST are probably on the front wave of the current trend. '

Agreed. That's why I used the word trend :)

anyone using the firecrest zipps on their speed concept? Do they fit without a major fuss?

Are there any plans to sell the ski bend aero bars from the 9.0 separately? Or will I have to go through the classifieds?

i am selling some brand new ones. PM me. Here is my listing I posted late last night.

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...;;page=unread#unread

Mine are 170's just as yours are. lol

comes stock with all 9 series bikes .

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Carl Matson

Carl -

So what size washer do you recommend?

Thanks!