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I'm a current Hoka shoe wearer, and wondering if anyone has tried ON running shoes? https://www.on-running.com/en-us/t/mens
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Haven't tried them, but they spec out heavy compared to the hoka cliftons. I don't think I could trade the weight for any level of cushioning.
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I wear On Running Cloudracers...love them. Normally wear Asics Tartherzeal 3 which I also find work very well for me. So far, however, the On shoes work better.

When running fast (which for me is 4min/km) they feel awesome. The upper breaths super well, no hotspots, the tongue on the shoe is very nice. So far my GarminConnect data shows I've increased my SPM to 192 (from 186) and reduced ground contact time too. Longest run on them so far was 15km on a track, hard run (60minutes) and I had absolutely no issues with them at all. Brilliant shoes in my opinion.

Of course every foot is different, but I highly recommend them.
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Re: ON Running Shoes [estubbart] [ In reply to ]
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estubbart wrote:
I'm a current Hoka shoe wearer, and wondering if anyone has tried ON running shoes? https://www.on-running.com/en-us/t/mens

I report the statement from a biomechanic who does lots of researches on running shoes models, comparing each other and versus injuries incidents.
He told me to avoid ON because they lack of any stability and the clouds below are useless, just a marketing thing.
He can see a very high relationship between triathletes/runners using ON versus Shin Splints or Achilles problems on average after 1 year of usage

I asked it because I love the ON Racer and the feeling of it. Unfortunately the feeling is not the right aspect to look at for running shoes.
This is valid for all the ON models

Again, it is not my point of view, just reporting a very reliable source which I trust.
You may ask the same to another biomechanic if you know or maybe someone who is reading this thread.
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Re: ON Running Shoes [Plissken74] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, I can agree with that
I used on for a year and ended up with a Tib post injury, my physio told me to bin them. I'm back running Newton and I have been fine, no issues
also, the 'clouds' dont last five minutes before they split

comfortable, quick, but comes at a cost

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Re: ON Running Shoes [estubbart] [ In reply to ]
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I love mine but really like any shoe it depends on your foot and your stride. Your best bet.is to go to your local high end run shop and ask for advice
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Re: ON Running Shoes [estubbart] [ In reply to ]
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I've got a pair on ONs (cloud cruiser) and I'd tend to agree with others, namely that they're nothing special, heavy and lack stability. They are very well made though, good for plod running in bad weather. Nonetheless, they do have a new shoe with some kind of stability. If you want to try something very different, head to http://www.airiarunning.com

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Re: ON Running Shoes [tharder] [ In reply to ]
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worst advice ever
go to someone selling shoes and who probably has stock they need to shift, for advice on running shoes

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Re: ON Running Shoes [estubbart] [ In reply to ]
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I have a pair of On Clouds in my rotation. Definitely a narrower platform than Clifton, but very comfortable.
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Re: ON Running Shoes [estubbart] [ In reply to ]
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Feel - and look - very good initially. Unfortunately, they bottom out very quickly. As in, <100 miles. They still look good, but they feel like rocks. I can barely wear them for my kick-around shoes. I don't think the cushioning system works and I would not recommend. The stack heights on these include the air within the cloud pods and I don't believe that is accurate.
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Re: ON Running Shoes [estubbart] [ In reply to ]
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Ran in the cloudracers. Very slick if running in wet conditions. Ended up going to new balance and won't look back.
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Re: ON Running Shoes [Anth] [ In reply to ]
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Anth wrote:
worst advice ever
go to someone selling shoes and who probably has stock they need to shift, for advice on running shoes

Why does everything have to be the BEST ever or WORST ever? I can think of several options that would be worse than going to a running specialty store and asking for advice...

If you do have a specialty running store in your area, ask about a demo day. Maybe you'll be able to catch an ON demo day near you and you can put a pair to the test.

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Re: ON Running Shoes [Anth] [ In reply to ]
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man, how about that for a pessimistic view of the running industry? I bet you are set though since you did your research online and purchased through amazon...

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Re: ON Running Shoes [turneej] [ In reply to ]
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Nope
I bought my pair from a running shop after recieving sound advice from the specialist in store, he steered me away from Newton (which he also sells)
Worst advice I ever took

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Re: ON Running Shoes [Anth] [ In reply to ]
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Anth wrote:
Nope
I bought my pair from a running shop after recieving sound advice from the specialist in store, he steered me away from Newton (which he also sells)
Worst advice I ever took

Not all running stores try to push one type of shoe. I know the Running Free near me is much more interested in finding something that suits my stride and physical attributes as they know if I find a shoe that works for me I am buying much more then 1 pair. Not all stores will give you the bad experience you received. We can't give advice on if this shoe would suit this athlete without knowing things such as his gait, any past problems and so on
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Funny how many views there are on shoes. I personally used On shoes and they were the greatest pair of shoes (newtons as well) for my knees. I was able to run pain free, and I was able to get pretty close to my pre-injury volume. On and Newtons were the two shoes that worked amazing for me.
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I bought a pair and the top of my right foot got really sore on runs over 13 miles. Feels like tendinitis. Hurts to lift my right toes so I switched back to Newtons and I can run pain free. Went back to ON clouds and the pain got worse. I tried different lacing options but the pain still is very noticeable when running in ON. I will use them for Sprints and maybe Olympics since they are comfortable and don't have a lot of miles on them but for anything longer than a 10K I will go with Altra or Newtons. I switched because with Altra I was still getting shin/knee pain every couple of weeks and the Newtons beat up my forefoot pad pretty good on long runs. I didn't have any shin, knee, ankle, fore-foot issues with ON. I am hoping the "tendinitis" will go away and I will be able to use ON all the time.

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Re: ON Running Shoes [estubbart] [ In reply to ]
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Bought some Cloud racers, garbage! The lugs on the bottom tear off after 50ish k's in them. No enough R&D done IMO
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Re: ON Running Shoes [estubbart] [ In reply to ]
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I have tried On Running Shoes - Liked them, they are definitely different to a conventional running shoe stock standard. I personally tried the On Cloud X and On Cloud Flow. They definitely have a different feeling to other running shoes. I instantly noticed a kind of ‘massaging’ feeling on the soles of my feet, and found them quite comfy to work a 6-hour standing job shift I had at the time. Running my Sunday long run the day after, my legs didn’t feel fatigued from standing most of the day before – whether this was the shoe or not, I can’t be certain, but I don’t have too many suspicions.

The shoes are extremely lightweight, I felt very ‘free’ in them. Very different from a more traditional Nike Structure, Brooks Adrenalin, or Asics GT 2000. Not necessarily ‘better’ (this will vary based on individual needs, likes, and purpose), just very different. They are unique!
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Re: ON Running Shoes [estubbart] [ In reply to ]
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For 2 years I only ran in On shoes. Loved how they felt. The issue for me was durability, I ran in the cloudflows and after around 250kms they always seemed to fall apart.
I since changed to Nike- I managed to get 650kms out of the vapourflys and 800kms out of pegasus turbo 2, and I also have a pair of Hoka's I run in.
I went back to try the On's again...and they just felt really flat in comparison to the Hokas and the Nikes.
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estubbart wrote:
I'm a current Hoka shoe wearer, and wondering if anyone has tried ON running shoes? https://www.on-running.com/en-us/t/mens


I am an Asics shoe wearer but I have been sampling other shoes over the past 3 years to see if there is anything else out there that is a good fit for me so that I can always have two pair of shoes that fit slightly differently to rotate every other run day.

Three years ago I got the Hoka One One Bandi shoes. I got hot spots and blisters from them my first two weeks wearing them, but the shoes either "broke in" or my feet toughened up because after the first two weeks they were just fine. I was pretty ticked when their cushioning wore out after 400 miles though. I usually get about 550 miles out of the Asics. I really liked the fulcrum with the rocking feeling in the Bondi though.

I tried the Asics GlideRide shoes a year after the Hoka's. I imagined that they would have the rocking movement to them like the Bondi's but they don't. Instead of putting me into a heal toe rhythm with my form I found that I fell into a running form where I would strike at the balls of the foot. There were no initial hot spots or blisters while breaking the Asics GlideRide in. That is probably due to them fitting similar to the other dozen Asics models that I have worn and already having my feet molded to that shape. I got 550 miles on the GlideRide before the cushioning was spent. So I was happier with that (but I didn't get 650 miles like I have out of some of the Asics).

I got my first pair of On Cloud Cloudflow shoes for my birthday two weeks ago. This morning I did 12 x 400m repeats in them. I only have about 20 miles on them but my initial thoughts on them are these:

1) They don't have a thick cushy sole like the Hoka One One Bondi do. In the first couple miles out of the box I could feel bumps in the road through the soles. The felt more like my Race flats than my typical training shoe. The sole on the Cloudflow was very stiff which added to being able to feel every bump in the road but after about 4 miles they softened up just slightly. The stiff out-of-the box sole didn't have the rollers (or tubes or whatever you want to call the bottom of the shoe) real even to where I could feel the rollers that were higher and the ones that were lower giving an uneven feeling on the road. 20 miles into the shoes most of the high spots have worn off, but I still have on on the right shoe that is high and it is like when you are running and step on the power cords going to the timing at the race start. You feel the line on the bottom of your foot from the one roller that is striking before all the others. I think in another 20 miles that might all be worn in though. I have noticed that the tops of the On-Cloud to not hug your foot like the Hoka One One Bondi and other brands that I have run in. If I don't tie them down tight I can get a gap between the top of my foot and the shoe. So I have been tying tight every time I put them on so my feel don't move around in them when I run. Other shoes I can tie somewhat loose and slide my feet in and out with out having to re-tie them every time.

I will know more about the Cloudflow when I have 500+ miles on them. Right now I will say that 1) all the knee pain (that I got when the last pair of shoes I owned had all the cushioning compressed) is gone so they are doing what I need them to do for me knees/feet. 2) I didn't get a blister in them which is a good sign for a new brand of shoes. 3) they are light weight and feel like a racing flat but don't run like my typically training shoe that feels heavier, absorbs the pebbles/bumps in the road and are an smooth even flow to them 4) the upper part holds it shape more than other shoes to where I have to tie them down well each time so my feet don't slide around when I am running.

The real test form is going to be how many miles I get out of them. I need to get at least 500 miles out of training shoes without any injuries. So far the On Cloud feel more like a race shoe than a training shoe to me in that they feel really light, but the trade of is that you feel everything on the road making the run slightly less smooth.
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Re: ON Running Shoes [curtish26] [ In reply to ]
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Own a pair of On Cloudflows. A little lighter than my Hoka Clifton 6s; touch heavier than Saucony Kinvara 9; noticeably heavier than Hoka Rincon, NB Rebel, NB Beacon.


I like the On Cloudflows, but unlikely to be buying them again (although they are my wife's favourite running shoe). I find both ON and Hoka have a narrow fit that doesn't suit my foot shape. Hoka offer features not found in other brands, so I'm willing to work around the minor fit issues. But I have other shoes just as good as the Cloudflows that better fit my foot.


In general I found the Cloudflows a good daily trainer, able to handle any sort of run. Recovery Runs, Long Runs, Track Workouts, Tempo Intervals, I even raced a Half Marathon in them (although I lost a toenail due to the fit issues).


Obviously not as cushioned as a Hoka, but doesn't have that disconnected feel either. For a shoe with ground feel I found the cushioning reasonably good. Other than the minor fit issue, I never experienced any issues or soreness from running in the Cloudflow (they are 1 of 15 shoes in my rotation). Designed for the road, but found they also work well on non-technical trails. Although their biggest problem is the collection of debris between the clouds. For the first 100km, something got stuck between the clouds on every single run. But since then the problem has almost completely gone away. Maybe the edges of the clouds have worn down.


After 450km (280mi) they are still holding up well. I'm 75kg (165lbs) and would have done at least 2/3rd of the mileage on soft trails. I generally get reasonable life out my shoes. Would expect to get at least 650km (400mi) out of them before they get relegated only short recovery runs.


Regard the Cloudflows as very different to the Asics GlideRide. The GlideRides are MUCH heavier, have significantly more cushioning and have a very pronounced meta rocker (Cloudflow has no rocker). I use the GlideRides for long runs on pavement. They are too heavy for faster runs and for some reason (probably related to the Meta Rocker) feel horrible on trails or any soft surface.
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Re: ON Running Shoes [Plissken74] [ In reply to ]
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Plissken74 wrote:
estubbart wrote:
I'm a current Hoka shoe wearer, and wondering if anyone has tried ON running shoes? https://www.on-running.com/en-us/t/mens

I report the statement from a biomechanic who does lots of researches on running shoes models, comparing each other and versus injuries incidents.
He told me to avoid ON because they lack of any stability and the clouds below are useless, just a marketing thing.
He can see a very high relationship between triathletes/runners using ON versus Shin Splints or Achilles problems on average after 1 year of usage

I asked it because I love the ON Racer and the feeling of it. Unfortunately the feeling is not the right aspect to look at for running shoes.
This is valid for all the ON models

Again, it is not my point of view, just reporting a very reliable source which I trust.
You may ask the same to another biomechanic if you know or maybe someone who is reading this thread.

From personal experience I agree. I tried the flats for short runs which seemed ok but not much mileage. Then I tried the longer distance ones and they f'd me up... PF, sore achilles. I run in Hoka, usually Tracers, and/or Newton Distance
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Re: ON Running Shoes [estubbart] [ In reply to ]
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they're all I wear anymore. After HOKA screwed the pooch with their 'remodels' a couple years back, I tried every brand/model known to man and the Ons just work for me. Stratus for long runs, Flow for fast stuff and Flyer for the inbetweens. Never had any achilles or other issues whatsoever, no blisters, etc. But of course, to each his own.
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Re: ON Running Shoes [Anth] [ In reply to ]
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That's not a fair comment, some reputable stores are pretty good.

About the ONs, my better half has a pair and she likes them. Never tried them myself, they sponsor a couple of pros that run fast including Gomez. Not saying that because it works for a pro it works for us, but just throwing it out there.
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