I wonder if the folks at RacerMate realize that they're still selling (Betamax) VCRs?

The writing's on the wall: Betamax, VHS, Kodak, Blockbuster, Computrainer.....

Extremely doubtful that RM will see the writing on the wall quite yet. Their entire marketing approach is to focus on the results of athletes who use CompuTrainers rather than on the product itself. As long as pros and sponsored athletes continue to win races, I think they’ll continue to cling to illusion that all is well and consumers will be swayed by some tertiary pro winning a 70.3 halfway across the world rather than by an objective comparison of products.

Even so, I don’t think they’re going anywhere in the near future, I think they’ll survive for a while by catering to an ever-diminishing base of luddites. Not sure if that will sustain them indefinitely, but definitely will impact their bottom line.

What a joke. Show me where the RM stuff does not work? The SW folks comments are dumb. For a lot of us we just use the power stuff, I do not need any of the fancy tools. I just ride with a small subset of training
intervals. Boring is boring. I just put the work in and the equipment just works. Now, when using a trainer a lot, the Velotron was worth every penny I had to pay for it. The thing just works.

It’s not an issue of something working or not working, everything ‘works’. It’s an issue of people having different opinions of how they want their products to work and the features that are important to them.

Clearly, you represent a segment of the market who is satisfied with the current offerings. There are definitely others in your camp, but you don’t represent everyone. You speak from the perspective of your specific needs and wants in relation to your specific product, the Velotron.

What I don’t quite understand however is the tone you are taking in response to this. No one is calling you dumb for owning a RM product, many of us do. However, on the contrary, you are calling others dumb for not sharing your exact sentiments for what you want in a trainer?

I don’t quite understand how it is a personal offense to you that others might want to buy a trainer that works differently than your own, or use it differently than you would use it?

Fair enough. For the record, I don’t think RM’s products are without merit. They still are very effective training tools, and it’s pretty safe to say they can do everything you really need to do on a trainer.

By that same argument, I could say though that the P2K is everything you really need in a triathlon bike. The difference between the two however is that the last 10 years of bike development has yielded plenty of examples of products that do the same basic thing as the P2K, but do it lighter, faster, stiffer, etc. Independently, both still are great products, but it is only through comparison to its competition that one can still be sold as a flagship product and the other relegated to the past.

And it is that competition, or more aptly, the lack thereof, in the ergo trainer market that has brought us to present.

I agree. I cannot tell you how many years I have heard of a new product coming out that was going to put RM out of business. It may happen some day, but in the mean time, my trainer kicks my butt.
Even though bikes cost more money, and look cooler, etc., has it really made folks faster? If this was true, the Pro's would be going under 8 hours at IMH. Look at the bikes Dave Scott and Mark Allen
rode compared to today's stuff. They would still kick most pro's butts riding those bikes ( and drafting the media van) against todays bikes. It is all about the engine.

Was pricing info released at Eurobike? I have had a look around but can't find anything.

Hopefully you will make this available in Europe before we are all forced indoors to do our training.