Moscon supposedly used them as well... and flatted at a crucial moment :D So 1:1.

I'm more interested if the 20% decrease in rolling resistance claimed by Conti materializes. If yes, we'll have the new fastest tyre out there.

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Likely better than 1:1 unless those two pros were the only ones riding them.

20% faster and same durability as the current GP5000 would be enough for me to finally swap to tubeless. I'm sure aerocoach will have their hands on them soon for testing if they don't already.

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I am certain I have to be in the top 1% of miles ridden on the current 5000TL. Maybe....+30,000 road/light gravel miles without thinking about it too hard :)

My experience. I've had ONE time when I've had to install tubes. Once I double flatted hitting a rock and pinching both front and rear on a HED Vanquish him in the dark. No damage to either wheel, but I needed a tube in 1 tire to get home. Many other small punctures have sealed and none of which I knew actually happened at the time.

About a month ago I BROKE a HED Emporia (carbon) on an asphalt lip and even with the broken wheel and pinch flat it sealed enough to ride it home another 20 miles....lol. Broken wheel yes. Broken 5000TL...nope!

It's been an incredible tire for me and I'm sure there are other tires out there that are fantastic as well. I'm drinking the Koolaid though. No sponsor relations with Conti either. I sponsor them with the miles I ride and equipment I go through :)

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50 gr lighter in 25 mm than the equivalent Conti 5000 TL. If it's not at the expense of puncture resistance, that's quite a saving. And apparently they are easier to fit as well


https://www.cyclingweekly.com/...-to-follow-the-rules

So my question with all this. Do I need to stock up on tires right now?

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You mean you want to stockpile slow tires? Go for it!

So your solution would be to buy new wheels instead?

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What keeps the tire on the rim if you have a blowout?

Why would you need new wheels?

I believe this comes from the removal of the butyl liner, which should help with RR as well.

You can tell me different, but both my HED Jet 6 and HED Ardennes are hooked wheels. Unless we're saying that these tires are cross compatible? I remember reading Dan's front page article about hookless wheels and hookless tires and ERTO and being confused as shit.

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They're compatible with hooked and hookless wheels.

there's a conti chart on https://www.cyclingweekly.com/...-to-follow-the-rules
that I don't see on the conti website. The 25 and 28 sizes are listed with a higher than 73 psi max IF YOU RUN TUBES. 30 and 32 top out at 73 psi with or without tubes (more than enough for me).

so on Jets you could go up to our recommended max of 80 with a tube as long are you are riding 28 or 25 tires. (80 is also way more than enough for me with those tire sizes - I never go that high)

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I am a little unclear with how these tires will work with my hooked Jet+ wheels. Is there any hook on this tire and if not, is there still any advantage or disadvantage to using them with hooked rims?

Good grief, they couldn't possibly be more difficult to fit than the current GP 5000 TL

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our write up of this new tire is on the front page.

conti's claims about this tire are outrageous. not to say they're false, just outrageous. outlandish. if they're true, this is the only tire to buy, unless i misunderstand their claims. it's 20 percent faster than the 5000 TL says conti and as i ask in the article, what does that mean? the fastest tire according to BRR is 7.0 watts, and the 5000 TL was 8.3w, so 20 percent faster means 6.7w, with more puncture resistance than the old 5000 TL.

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Why would this make you swap to tubeless? Why not just run a latex tube with it?

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This is where I have to tell myself "the 5000TL is still a pretty good tire, darn it!"



I have to agree that Continental's claims for the new tire are hard to believe, though I am hopeful they are true (or even close to true). It's hard to understand how they've managed better sidewall protection and increased puncture resistance despite significantly reducing the weight of the tire. The 5000 TLs have ridiculous longevity, which means the consumer needs to buy tires less frequently, so it would make sense if Continental reduced tread thickness. This would seem to explain at least some of the weight loss, but on top of that increased puncture resistance? That would be quite the feat.

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Aerocoach testing data shows a little different picture... if we take that as baseline, a 20% reduction would put the new tyre in line with original Conti Supersonic, with Corsa Speed still slightly faster. Of course, these are likely more aero, so combined (again, with Aerocoach data), they'd be half a watt / 1 watt faster than Vittoria with likely better puncture resistance.

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There seems to be quite bit of variation related to longevity. I had to bin my rear GP5000TL after 6000km on mostly smooth roads, which is nothing spectacular, and I'm a sub 75kg guy. There are some others with similar experience, and there are also others who have managed quite a bit more than that.

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Alvin Tostig wrote:

Good grief, they couldn't possibly be more difficult to fit than the current GP 5000 TL

Actually it's possible that it is indeed possible:

It's just one review, but from someone who mounted the new tire: "Secondly, the tyres were 'an absolute sod' to fit on his hooked tubeless aluminium rims with a 19mm internal width, requiring the valve to be taken out and toe straps to hold the tyre in place."

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I think the "hard to mount " issue must be very wheel specific.

We got in our new line of tubeless wheels two weeks ago. I wanted to try them at IM Cozumel.

I decided to mount the GP5000 TL in 25 mm on this new 88 mm deep wheel set.

Added two layers of tape, installed the valve and put the tire on with one plastic tire lever. Took the presta valve out - 3 oz sealant in - presta valve in and aired up with a regular pump. Combined time 10 minutes.

From a ride feel and ease of use perspective - the ride feel is about the same difference between butyl tubes and latex tubes (a bit nicer run at 5 lbs lower pressure). 4 flights and two weeks later and they have not lost much - if any - any air.

I'm in.

Edit: If this new tire 5000 S TR is 20% faster and more protective it is an incredible tire and engineering marvel.

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Indeed, notwithstanding the review I quoted above, the tires went on super easy in this video (jump to 5:57):

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