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Re: New Cervelo S5 [sausskross] [ In reply to ]
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Long-time lurker, first-time poster…please be gentle…

I have questions on optimizing my 48cm 2013 S5 with Ultregra Di2 and Williams 38 carbon clinchers without any aerobars. I currently have two bottle cages which pretty much takes up the space since the frame is so small. Would I be better served improving the aerodynamics by:

a) keeping one bottle cage and adding a rear-mount bottle system,

b) removing both cages and adding the Profile Design Aerodrink Basebar Bracket for a bottle up front and adding a rear-mount bottle,

c) replacing the handle bars with the S5 carbon Aero Handlebar, keeping one cage, and adding the rear-mount system,

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d) open to suggestions

Weight is a greater consideration than cost because I’m less than 85 pounds myself.

Thanks in advance!
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [sbrrepeat] [ In reply to ]
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I think I read in the Felt AR thread that if you use an aero water bottle it doesn't really add any drag. So if you can fit two of those in your 48cm frame I'd do that. If not, put the second bottle on a rear seat mount. I personally think the front mounted water bottle cage would look a bit goofy on a road bike.
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [sbrrepeat] [ In reply to ]
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Hi sbrrepeat,

the Cervélo handlebar is very comfortable, has great damping, looks & is fast. After one year riding it a standard handlebar feels just wrong. To ride on the tops needs a little bit adaption in placing the thumb and may be difficult for smaller hands.

If aero frame bottles fit your upgrade plan, I'd go for them. A frame bottle is saver to grab. Doing long rides sometimes in fast groups I prefer the standard bottle for that reason.

Cheers,
sausskross

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Re: New Cervelo S5 [sausskross] [ In reply to ]
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [sausskross] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you both for your replies. In researching the aero water bottles, they don't seem to hold much which concerns me.
Sausskross, when you say riding on the tops would be difficult for small hands, are you talking about riding on the top bar or out on the hoods? I typically only ride the drops or the hoods.
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [sbrrepeat] [ In reply to ]
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With tops I mean the handlebar on both sides next to the stem, it s very wide there .. and not the hoods ..



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Re: New Cervelo S5 [sausskross] [ In reply to ]
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sausskross wrote:
And I can't believe this ..



.. 20k mls since 02.2015 and a little of 12 hours not available for a ride .. oSo >>

BEAUTIFUL BIKE!
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [johnnybefit] [ In reply to ]
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I believe these were the aero bottles recommended by SuperDave of Felt for the AR.

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Elite_Crono_CX_Aero_bottles._P5164376/
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [Dunbar] [ In reply to ]
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I started that thread and have two of those bottles now and they work great. I also have a specialized one as well.

I am thinking that I will place the elite on my BTA as it fits really nice between the armrests and I like how it feels between my arms while in the aero position.

I will also have these on my SLC bike as well.
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [Orbilius] [ In reply to ]
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I have the new S5 and I love it. When it was launched there was a lot of noise in the reviews and media about the handlebar design - Cervelo making big claims re aero benefits and some reviewers warning that the handlebar tops might be "uncomfortable" and also they worried about how to mount a Garmin out front to the bars.

From my side the bars are very comfortable, really no issues at all, for sure the tops feel different to a standard bar, but certainly not uncomfortable and if the aero claims from Cervelo are close to being true then it is fully worth any inconvenience - no pain no gain!!! Re attaching a Garmin out-front - there are now a number of different options available to give such a mounting - I am using the mounts from Racewaredirect in the UK and they work perfectly.

http://www.racewaredirect.co/...ount-for-cervelo-s5/
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [Chri G] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you all for your guidance. I am leaning toward the S5 Aero handlebars with the Garmin mount, one Elite Crono CX Aero bottle and a rear system for another bottle plus a mini bag for a repair kit. When I Google the S5 aerobars, a place called "Bonanza" comes up selling them quite cheaply from Hong Kong; does anyone have any experience with this firm to know if these are legit?

One more thing...the reach for the brakes on the aero handlebars, is it going to be any further out? I have very small hands.
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [sbrrepeat] [ In reply to ]
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This is not a real Cervelo bar.
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [BMANX] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks! That's what I feared...the price was too good to be true.
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [Dunbar] [ In reply to ]
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Dunbar wrote:
I believe these were the aero bottles recommended by SuperDave of Felt for the AR.
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Elite_Crono_CX_Aero_bottles._P5164376/[/quote[/url]]

LKF:
Those bottles actually helped some tare round-tube bikes like the F-series.

-SD

https://www.kickstarter.com/...bike-for-the-new-era
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [sbrrepeat] [ In reply to ]
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I am not saying to avoid them as I have seen a number of people buy these and have great success but they are not OFFICIAL CERVELO BARS.
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [burninglegs] [ In reply to ]
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Just added eTap to my S5. Very happy with the overall feel of the group and the bike continues to be fantastic.





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Re: New Cervelo S5 [Orbilius] [ In reply to ]
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Your speed machine looks really great .. some new dancing shoes for Luzié, waiting for new brake shoe cartridges to put salmons in & the end of april snow .. oSo >>



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Re: New Cervelo S5 [Orbilius] [ In reply to ]
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One of the nicest S5 I have ever seen. I missed the water bottle.
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [sausskross] [ In reply to ]
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Cought in my net ..



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Re: New Cervelo S5 [sausskross] [ In reply to ]
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W - h - a - t -- a -- f - a - n - t - a - s - t - i - c -- r - i - d - é ..





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Re: New Cervelo S5 [sausskross] [ In reply to ]
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Ok, it's nor a TT neither a road race, it's just a modern days segment. From the 70ies for more than 30 years it was part of the most favorite sunday route of the Willi Altig trainings group. Former national racers from Mannheim & guests battled each other on this 22km moderate uphill climb with big gears and an average of 35km/h (ore more). Because of traffic and a lot of new traffic lights the town sign 4.7km before the peak is awarded to be the finish line at one of these GPS based social sports net and this spring Luzié got measured as only bike so far under 30min there. What a fine machine in the real world for all these hundreds of hours ..



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.. edit # the second one is a P3

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Re: New Cervelo S5 [sausskross] [ In reply to ]
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The statements made in this thread about power for S3 versus old S5, versus new S5, seem logically inconsistent? Maybe this has been asked and resolved already elsewhere, but logically one of the below 3 statements must be incorrect. I've broken my S3 seat stay, and now must either repair it, expensively crash-replace it with another (identical) S3, or upgrade to a new S5, hence my dilemma:
1) [Cervolo website, 2016] [the S5] "Compared to the previous S5, we've given you a premium advantage you can feel with each pedal stroke [..] 21.4 WATT ADVANTAGE [..] Compared to previous S5 VWD"
2) [Rinard, 2013/9] "the S3 has a four-watt increase in drag over the [old] S5."
3) [Rinard, 2014/10] "The [new] S5 is about 4 Watts (at 40km/h) faster than the S3"

Maybe my logic is screwy, but, unless statement 3) is really still talking about the old S5, that says to me that:
>>If 1 & 2 are true, then the new S5 is about 25.4W better than the S3, which conflicts with 3). But would make sense from a Cervelo product development perspective.
>>If 2 & 3 are true, then the S5 has not changed at all, which conflicts with 1). And Cervelo are making false statements on their website?
@damon_rinard? Anyone?
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [ipanel] [ In reply to ]
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My understanding (though I may be wrong):

S5 Frameset only, new vs old: New S5 frame ~same watts as old S5. (New S5 stiffer though and allows for 25mm tires.)

S5 Complete bike, new vs old: New S5 21.4 watts faster than old S5, due entirely to Hed wheels and aero handlebars on new vs old complete S5 bike as spec'd by Cervelo

Frameset only S5 (new or old) vs S3: S5 frameset is 4 watts faster than S3 and whether the complete bike is faster depends on complete bike spec (especially wheels and bars. New Cervelo bars are ~ 4 watts faster so S3 with new bars a wash with new S5 and old round bars, all else equal.)
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [ols] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks. I guess if Cervelo are being a little(!) sneaky with their definitions, then that makes sense. Iincluding effect of their new bars I can accept, but wheels - that's sneaky - they may as well go the way of the Venge and include supplied shoes!
So sounds like I'm best getting my S3 repaired. I run it with 3T aeronova bars anyway, so that probably takes me back to the original 4W difference I had with the old S5 (if all the marketing is to be believed).
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