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Re: New Cervelo S5 [Tom A.]
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [Tom A.]
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [damon_rinard]
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Hi Damon,
to give the rider maximum choice in standard parts and easy maintaining on a rock solid basis is a very nice thing, I think, too. Also I love to have my favorite tires for ground connection & protection. After understanding the request it's easy detectable result of engineering parts to a summary is what thrills me to ride a machine on two wheels driven with my own power. I know about bike tech and my new bike because of transparent informations from people who share them and help me to make consecutive decisions. It's not only the results but how to find them and go further. Don't knowing another question yet, it is time to be surprised for the over next bike .. ah wait, the UCI rules. Agh, no ..
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to give the rider maximum choice in standard parts and easy maintaining on a rock solid basis is a very nice thing, I think, too. Also I love to have my favorite tires for ground connection & protection. After understanding the request it's easy detectable result of engineering parts to a summary is what thrills me to ride a machine on two wheels driven with my own power. I know about bike tech and my new bike because of transparent informations from people who share them and help me to make consecutive decisions. It's not only the results but how to find them and go further. Don't knowing another question yet, it is time to be surprised for the over next bike .. ah wait, the UCI rules. Agh, no ..
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [sausskross]
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Thanks sausskross, you know I'm here to answer any next question that occurs to you!
Cheers,
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Cheers,
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Re: New Cervelo S5 [damon_rinard]
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Damon,
What is more aero?
An s3 with aero road bar or S5 without?
Or is it a wash?
What is more aero?
An s3 with aero road bar or S5 without?
Or is it a wash?
Re: New Cervelo S5 [bootsie_cat]
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Hi bootsie,
It's a wash.
Cheers,
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
It's a wash.
Cheers,
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Re: New Cervelo S5 [damon_rinard]
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Do you know the reach and drop dimensions on the new aero bar?
Re: New Cervelo S5 [ttusomeone]
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Yep.
Drop is 128 mm, reach is 80 mm. Overall the drops are very similar to many, many current bars.
There's a small discussion about drop bar fit, ergonomics and aerodynamics hidden among the other posts, starting with this one:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...post=5297492#5297492
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Drop is 128 mm, reach is 80 mm. Overall the drops are very similar to many, many current bars.
There's a small discussion about drop bar fit, ergonomics and aerodynamics hidden among the other posts, starting with this one:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...post=5297492#5297492
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Re: New Cervelo S5 [damon_rinard]
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Thanks!
Re: New Cervelo S5 [damon_rinard]
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Anyone making an srm mount for this bar? Looks like the stock srm mount will not fit?
Raceware?
Raceware?
Re: New Cervelo S5 [bootsie_cat]
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Hi Bootsie,
Correct, the bridge isn't round and I'm not aware of anyone making an SRM mount.
Might be a nice project... How many do you think could be sold?
Cheers,
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Correct, the bridge isn't round and I'm not aware of anyone making an SRM mount.
Might be a nice project... How many do you think could be sold?
Cheers,
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Re: New Cervelo S5 [damon_rinard]
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New review up on CyclingNews. Nice of them to refer to the Jet+'s as 'sexy training wheels'.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/...ws/cervelo-s5-review
Soo... when do we see the MSRP???
http://www.cyclingnews.com/...ws/cervelo-s5-review
Soo... when do we see the MSRP???
Re: New Cervelo S5 [JesseN]
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Today!
http://www.cervelo.com/...kes/s-series/s5.html
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
http://www.cervelo.com/...kes/s-series/s5.html
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Re: New Cervelo S5 [damon_rinard]
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Time to get featured .. oSo >>
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [damon_rinard]
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damon_rinard wrote:
Here's the position. This was years ago, when Cervelo and Zipp tested with theam CSC in the San Diego tunnel. This is the test session after which Fabian famously said "808 is the new 404."
You might also remember Gerard's blog post on how high (or low) the bars should be:
http://gerard.cc/2011/09/27/worlds-bar/
Cheers,
Can you get this position as easily on an S2/S3 as you can on an S5? Or is one better/easier than the other? Or (having read Gerard's post & the comments below it) have I got this completely arse-about?
tx!
Re: New Cervelo S5 [PT]
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Hi PT,
Varies with different riders. The body's shape is more important than the bike's fit coordinates.
The back angle is up to you.
Then put the bars where they support a forearms horizontal position.
Cheers,
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Varies with different riders. The body's shape is more important than the bike's fit coordinates.
The back angle is up to you.
Then put the bars where they support a forearms horizontal position.
Cheers,
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Re: New Cervelo S5 [damon_rinard]
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When will we be able to buy the handlebars aftermarket? do you know?
Would love to replace them on my S5 from last year
Would love to replace them on my S5 from last year
Re: New Cervelo S5 [damon_rinard]
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Thanks Damon,
Getting ahead of myself and forgetting some basics.
Appreciate your thoughtful reply .
Pete
Getting ahead of myself and forgetting some basics.
Appreciate your thoughtful reply .
Pete
Re: New Cervelo S5 [damon_rinard]
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Talking of fit coordinates, I have a long leg, short torso physique. Currently on a 2013 R5, 56 cm, 12 cm stem, 78 cm bb centre-top of saddle, 15 mm of headset spacers. Considering going to the new S5, in which case better to stick with a 56 cm, keep the same stem length but with an extra 15 mm of headset spacers (30 mm total), or size up to a 58 cm, reduce stem length, and take out 5 mm of headset spacer (10 mm total)?
Re: New Cervelo S5 [duncan]
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When choosing among frame sizes, choose the size for which there is the least amount of adjustment to get your handlebar in the correct coordinate unless there is an extenuating circumstance. For me, an extenuating circumstance can be standover height and for me that involves the choice between a size 48 and 50 frame.
Re: New Cervelo S5 [duncan]
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Sounds like an S5 might fit you better.
I think 30mm of spacers is too much.
It works if you have to do it with something you already own (that was miss-sized or your needs changed), but it
is a bad idea when buying new.
Fit trumps on paper aero qualities.
FWIW I am in same boat. I am between a 54 and 56 on new S5. A 54cm S3 would fit me well.
My plan is to get an S3 to start and put either the Cervelo aero road bar or maybe Enve or Zipp- then it will be pretty close to an S5 and it will fit me better than the S5.
I think 30mm of spacers is too much.
It works if you have to do it with something you already own (that was miss-sized or your needs changed), but it
is a bad idea when buying new.
Fit trumps on paper aero qualities.
FWIW I am in same boat. I am between a 54 and 56 on new S5. A 54cm S3 would fit me well.
My plan is to get an S3 to start and put either the Cervelo aero road bar or maybe Enve or Zipp- then it will be pretty close to an S5 and it will fit me better than the S5.
Re: New Cervelo S5 [bootsie_cat]
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**EDIT** I had the wrong numbers, nothing to see here, move along.
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Re: New Cervelo S5 [refthimos]
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ignore top tube and head tube, they don't mean anything.
stack and reach are what you want to look at, and yes the only substantive change on the S5 is a small reduction in stack, as this was the primary complaint about the geometry. However your old S5 stack/reach numbers don't look right.
On the 2014 S5, I run a -17 140mm stem in order to get the bars in the right place. Stem choice is not great in that size, but I only run a single 1cm spacer underneath the stem, so the tall headtube of the 2013 S5 dictates that I size down and run the long stem.
I've tried to remain disciplined and not entertain the prospect of a frame upgrade, but just for fun I decided to check out the updated frame geometry. I've read the reviews discussing how the overly tall head tubes were shortened for the 2015 version. But the geometry doesn't all that different:
56cm:
58cm:
So lemme get this straight, the top tube on 58cm size of the new S5 has been INCREASED by 1mm?
Comparing the measurements of the old and new frames, I am not seeing much difference. The biggest single difference is 8mm of stack on the 58cm frame, but even with that frame, each of the other frame measurements is within 2mm of the old frame. It's a similar story with the 56cm frame, no measurement varies by more than 5mm.
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stack and reach are what you want to look at, and yes the only substantive change on the S5 is a small reduction in stack, as this was the primary complaint about the geometry. However your old S5 stack/reach numbers don't look right.
refthimos wrote:
I have a 2014 S5 VWD, which replaced my 2013 S5 Team. I sized down from a 58cm to 56cm frame in order to get my front end low enough. On the 2014 S5, I run a -17 140mm stem in order to get the bars in the right place. Stem choice is not great in that size, but I only run a single 1cm spacer underneath the stem, so the tall headtube of the 2013 S5 dictates that I size down and run the long stem.
I've tried to remain disciplined and not entertain the prospect of a frame upgrade, but just for fun I decided to check out the updated frame geometry. I've read the reviews discussing how the overly tall head tubes were shortened for the 2015 version. But the geometry doesn't all that different:
56cm:
- OLD: 565mm top tube; 160mm head tube; 560mm stack; 394mm reach
- NEW: 565mm top tube; 157mm head tube; 565mm stack; 392mm reach
58cm:
- OLD: 580mm top tube; 180mm head tube; 580mm stack; 403mm reach
- NEW: 581mm top tube; 181mm head tube; 588mm stack; 401mm reach
So lemme get this straight, the top tube on 58cm size of the new S5 has been INCREASED by 1mm?
Comparing the measurements of the old and new frames, I am not seeing much difference. The biggest single difference is 8mm of stack on the 58cm frame, but even with that frame, each of the other frame measurements is within 2mm of the old frame. It's a similar story with the 56cm frame, no measurement varies by more than 5mm.
Kat Hunter reports on the San Dimas Stage Race from inside the GC winning team
Aeroweenie.com -Compendium of Aero Data and Knowledge
Freelance sports & outdoors writer Kathryn Hunter
Re: New Cervelo S5 [refthimos]
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I think your geometry information is off for the VWD. Here is the geometry chart on the Cervelo site.
http://www.cervelo.com/media/docs/S5VWD-77510c3c-df06-4017-bb4f-6f6fbf373194-0.pdf
http://www.cervelo.com/media/docs/S5VWD-77510c3c-df06-4017-bb4f-6f6fbf373194-0.pdf
Some good news for my local dealer. Even the big players in Germany won't get the new S5 2015 before week 6, the delivery date of mine .. oSo >>
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