Me too, but I’m not counting on it.

What 28's did you fit on your AR and is that only with EE brakes? I'm thinking of putting some on

I have 25 mm GP4000 which measure 28 mm on 21 mm internal rims on my AR. Dura Ace 9010 rear and ultegra 6800 front brakes. I would't be comfortable running anything bigger than that in the rear.

I haven’t been able to watch TdF coverage non stop and there haven’t been many close up shots so I may have missed something but it looks like the EF guys haven’t been riding the new bike for the last few stages. Are they looking for their lighter bikes now?

Specialized Hell of the North (basically a Turbo Cotton tubular, the only one they have in range).
Tririg Omega front, DM EEbrake rear.

But other 27mm tubs, like Veloflex Vlaanderen or the new Veloflex Raven (the same tire, just with black sidewalls), would definitely fit as well.

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jesus that would be nice. i was told jan 2019 for canada delivery.
deposit already down, just patiently waiting.....impatiently.

this is one big cock tease, considering some sizes are already sold out in early august and you're still not likely to have a bike for the 2018 season.

There’s one here in the wild at the Iron hill ceit in west Chester. Looks real good in person

test rig or early delivery?

One of the Cannondale reps is racimg

.....impatiently waiting.....

Phil Gaimon has his already, but he rode his EVO today to take down more local KOMs.

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Does anyone know the stock stem lengths bikes are coming with, and what you do for bike fit if your fit does not match the stock stem length? I've been playing around with my fit and overlaying onto geo and depending on what stem length the bike comes with I may need to go a touch shorter to make things work.

Sure, here you go;


Bar:
47: 380MM; 51-54 400MM; 56 & 58CM: 420MM; 60 & 62CM: 440MM

Stem:
47: 80MM; 51CM: 90MM; 54- 58CM: 100MM; 60 & 62CM: 110MM

Cranks:
47CM: 165MM, 51-54CM: 170MM, 56-58CM: 172.5MM, 60-62CM: 175MM

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First, I'm loving this bike. I was out of the market... but may now be back in. (Looking at BMC, Canyon and Cannondale... but that's a topic for another day.)


That said, I'm curious about the decision to include a power meter. That strikes me as a waste on a bike that's likely going to attract people who already have power meters. (I.e. those for whom a $7k aero racing bike seems worth a look.) But maybe that's the way things are going to start going.

Personally I own 4 power meters now. (1 old quarq that's no longer reliable, one quarq on my main road bike, a stages (which was an experiment (I kept it on a bike I left at a vacation home)) and now I have P1 pedals so that I can maintain consistency between bikes, and don't have to , and maybe sell the rest (although they are freaking heavy and I miss the clip-in from my Keo Blades, but I'm not racing crits anymore so it doesn't really matter).

I would think that the vast majority of people would be in a similar boat and the power meter will either be an automatic ebay, or just end up as a heavier crankset than they would otherwise have.

When you go to Cannondale's site and click on size under each model, it tells you "in stock", ''limited stock'' or ''call for availability''.
I saw a couple at the crit on Saturday in West Chester, so they are out there in the wild.

Hi ridenfish39,

That's a new feature on our site, and I like it - gives riders an idea what might be available.

That said, I believe it only shows what we (Cannondale) have in stock. I recently heard we're sold out, so all our first batch of SystemSixes should already be in Cannondale dealers or on the way there. I don't know when the next batch is due.

Did you recognize anyone on a SystemSix Saturday? Get a chance to look at one up close?

Cheers,
Damon

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I've literally spent hours considering the potential background economics between Cannondale, P2Max and the LBS on this. And depending on (1) P2Max's customer acquisition cost, (2) the expected adoption/activation rate by SystemSix buyers, and (3) the cost to P2Max to manufacturer and deliver the NG ECO spiders to Cannondale, I could see anything from P2Max giving the spiders to Cannondale free to charging Cannondale some amount. In fact, if (1) and (2) were high enough and (3) low enough, it could even make sense for P2Max to PAY Cannondale to put the NG ECOs on its bikes.

And then of course there is the activation revenue. Does that go 100% to P2Max? That wouldn't make sense, because then what incentive does the LBS have to "sell" the customer to activate? Does Cannondale share in that revenue too? I dunno.

The most I will allow myself to believe is that Cannonale/P2Max (and the LBS) are using this SystemSix rollout with the neutered NG ECO as an experiment in the market. They'll see if it works generally (i.e. customer activation rates) and then look to potentially adjust the deal terms if things don't go as they expect. Or ditch it if the model doesn't work. I'm curious to see what results.

As to seeing SystemSix NG ECOs on eBay, I'm sure we will, but then again a new NG ECO from P2Max is $590 and the activation cost is $490 so that leaves a "value" of the unactivated NG ECO at $100 at most so not sure many will bother (to buy or sell).

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My order has been in for a while despite the fact that I have never seen one in person. I will say though, every single person I know who has seen one in person tells me it looks badass.

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I knew one of the guys. And yes, the bike is really bad ass looking in person. I’m hoping mine is on the way because I ordered it really early.

Apologies if this was covered already (I didn't recall seeing it in the thread or the whitepaper), but what's the max spacer height on the steerer tube?

I can confirm they fit! How do I know? Because the only SuperSix I have seen in the wild came to my LBS shipped with them rather than the 23c Rubino Speeds.

They did seem like a good match for the KNOT64 rims, though probably not as ideal a rim/tire "system" shape for the HED Toroidal 2.0 design as a 23c tire. They definitely don't expose as much of the rim as the photos I have seen of the KNOT64 rims with the 23c Rubino Speeds.

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Which model did you order? If the Carbon Dura-Ace (pictured above), I would imagine there is a good chance, as my LBS got two in last week and all photos I have seen posted of the bike in the wild have been this model. Pretty sure this is the one that Phil Gaimon has as well (he does our local weekend group rides pretty regularly).

If the Hi-ModDura-Ace Di2 aka "BBQ," then it could be a while. Cannondale has an issue they are sorting out on these bikes. Latest quote on mine is October 27.

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I ordered the ultegra di2 version. Was told mid September now :(. Mines a 60 cm, and it was ordered very early. I’ll keep on rolling around on my ancient Ridley Noah with ultegra 10 Speed and god awful braking old enve wheels in the mean time

That one seems like the best value in the lineup. Great choice! Hope you get it soon.

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Me too. Can’t wait. Problem is I have an SRM already for the bike. Gotta try to sell a power meter that costs 500 to activate lol