Striking bike! I've always had a soft spot for C'dales being a current S6 owner but some of those marketing claims just sound ridiculous. I'm sure it's backed by well thought out engineering and lots of testing...
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Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [BryanD]
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Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [RunningChoux]
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RunningChoux wrote:
Along those lines, it’s interesting how the Felt AR held its own quite well in this test. Given the OEM spec of the standard Dura-Ace caliper brake, I’d bet the gap would shrink a fair bit with something like a TriRig Omega instead. It’s close enough I wouldn’t be surprised if a different choice of bar/stem/wheel/tire/groupset/skewer could even put it ahead of the SystemSix. I also wouldn’t be shocked if it couldn’t; I have no data to say for sure. Of course, I can’t say I love dealing with the BB mounted rear brake and there’s certainly no room to cram in a 30mm tire. Horses for courses, I guess.
You can run 28mm tubs on the AR, tested & confirmed ;)
Slap a Tririg Omega front, direct mount EE brake on the rear, and you have as-aero bike as it gets with decent (but definitely not the best) braking power. Of course, the aero is without bottles, I still remember SuperDave (when he still worked for Felt) having this as the only question he avoided answering when the new AR came out :)
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Need more W/CdA.
Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [Tom A.]
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Tom A. wrote:
damon_rinard wrote:
Based on the data we have, on a complete bike, about 3 Watts, same as adding rim brakes.
So...that means on wheels alone, it adds MORE than 3W...
Now then, if all that other shaping was also done with an integrated rim brake setup, instead of slapping on standard calipers and exposed cabling... ;-)
Hi Tom,
Actually, we tested a nice aero Tririg caliper and didn't add any cables at all.
Cheers,
Damon
Here's the article:
https://www.slowtwitch.com/..._Aero_Drag_6073.html
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [damon_rinard]
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Question about the wheels....
If you get a flat tire won't those exposed edges of the rim make contact with the ground? This worries me a bit, I might run 25c GP4000s when I get the bike
If you get a flat tire won't those exposed edges of the rim make contact with the ground? This worries me a bit, I might run 25c GP4000s when I get the bike
Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [BryanD]
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I know I am late to the party, but as I was reading the road.cc article, this caught my attention:
140W -> 30km/h? Sounds a bit ambitious, no?
Quote:
At a speed of 30km/h (18.6mph) on a flat road a traditional road bike requires 140 watts while the SystemSix will save you around 10% power at that speed.140W -> 30km/h? Sounds a bit ambitious, no?
Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [lemos]
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lemos wrote:
I know I am late to the party, but as I was reading the road.cc article, this caught my attention: Quote:
At a speed of 30km/h (18.6mph) on a flat road a traditional road bike requires 140 watts while the SystemSix will save you around 10% power at that speed.140W -> 30km/h? Sounds a bit ambitious, no?
I quickly searched some of my strava segments.. I found 1mile 0% segment where I did 17.2mph @ 133w.. round tube bike, on hoods most likely and a powermeter and I would have been on non aero wheels too
Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [damon_rinard]
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damon_rinard wrote:
Tom A. wrote:
damon_rinard wrote:
Based on the data we have, on a complete bike, about 3 Watts, same as adding rim brakes.
So...that means on wheels alone, it adds MORE than 3W...
Now then, if all that other shaping was also done with an integrated rim brake setup, instead of slapping on standard calipers and exposed cabling... ;-)
Hi Tom,
Actually, we tested a nice aero Tririg caliper and didn't add any cables at all.
Cheers,
Damon
Here's the article:
https://www.slowtwitch.com/..._Aero_Drag_6073.html
Oh Damon, you know that's not an integrated brake...plus you put it in front of sections that weren't designed with that in mind. So, that's not really answering the question ;-)
http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [ridenfish39]
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Hi ridenfish39,
Yep, same as every clincher rim with a flat tire.
The 25C Contis are a good choice aerodynamically and Crr.
On the 21 mm inside width KNOT64 rims they'll balloon up quite a bit, I recommend trying them first to be sure they'll fit.
Cheers,
Damon
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Yep, same as every clincher rim with a flat tire.
The 25C Contis are a good choice aerodynamically and Crr.
On the 21 mm inside width KNOT64 rims they'll balloon up quite a bit, I recommend trying them first to be sure they'll fit.
Cheers,
Damon
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [sausskross]
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Hey, the national csg dealer days are in my home town at halle02 soon .. unfortunately I'm not a csg dealer .. maybe I'll see some test riders riding around ..
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sausskross: Jul 7, 18 7:36
Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [sausskross]
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Let's hope so!
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [damon_rinard]
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Thx for all the info Damon! Mine is on order from my LBS - looks like delivery will take 2 months, so I’ll just have to suffer on my EVO until then ;-)
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Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [damon_rinard]
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Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [refthimos]
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Happy to help. Enjoy!
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [BryanD]
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Good looking bike from Cannondale....for once (generally I have hated the way their bikes look) ...but here's my disclaimer.....beauty is in the eye of the beholder.....
"see the world as it is not as you want it to be"
"see the world as it is not as you want it to be"
Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [damon_rinard]
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Really nice guys there .. if it works out I can show Philipp and his colleagues some beautiful roads of the Kurpfalz at the given time ..
.. all of them ..
.. my size ..
.. from the other side .. and wow, that down tube is really really promising .. oSo >>
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.. all of them ..
.. my size ..
.. from the other side .. and wow, that down tube is really really promising .. oSo >>
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___/\___/\___/\___ the s u r f b o a r d of the K u r p f a l z is the r o a d b i k e .. oSo >>
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sausskross: Jul 8, 18 11:49
Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [sausskross]
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Beautiful! Hope you get a nice ride and a chance to take some more pictures. Say HI to the great Cannondale team there.
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [damon_rinard]
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Looks like Philipp is caught in the trade show, no time window so far .. a side note .. some guys from Turin smashed the KOM in one ride at our house mountain on SystemSix road bikes .. impressive show .. oSo >>
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sausskross: Jul 12, 18 7:40
Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [sausskross]
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Damon, thanks for educating Cannondale on how to do Stack/Reach on the smaller sizes - the figures for the 47 look much better than for my 48 CAAD9. My CAAD 9 will be due for replacement soon, but the disc brakes, rule it out for me. I shall wait and see what you do with the CAAD 14 (next year?; presumably no '13'), which I hope will come with a rim brake option.
Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [damon_rinard]
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Any word on actual delivery dates on these bikes? I'm hearing different things
Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [ridenfish39]
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ridenfish39 wrote:
Any word on actual delivery dates on these bikes? I'm hearing different thingsHi ridenfish39,
Please check with your local Cannondale dealer as global roll out dates do vary.
Here's one way to find a dealer:
https://dealerlocator.cannondale.com/
Cheers,
Damon
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [trimon]
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trimon wrote:
Damon, thanks for educating Cannondale on how to do Stack/Reach on the smaller sizes - the figures for the 47 look much better than for my 48 CAAD9. My CAAD 9 will be due for replacement soon, but the disc brakes, rule it out for me. I shall wait and see what you do with the CAAD 14 (next year?; presumably no '13'), which I hope will come with a rim brake option.Hi trimon, glad you like the fit on the 47!
Of course, buying now or waiting are options for everyone, since as I expect you can understand, we're not willing to reveal future plans to a very large extent. :-)
Cheers,
Damon
Damon Rinard
Engineering Manager,
CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [sausskross]
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They are really busy with all their guests .. later in the year there will be an local event with the fahrstil magazine at their club house for locals .. oSo >>
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Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [ridenfish39]
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I was initially told Sep 15, now told early Oct
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Re: New Cannondale SystemSix [refthimos]
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Got told sometime in August today.
I’d take that! Hope yours stays on that timetable
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