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New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret
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Thoughts?

https://www.argon18.com/...rOiTmHvjhrgZRcxMREB8




Last edited by: Ohio_Roadie: Oct 10, 20 17:24
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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [Ohio_Roadie] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like some new extensions from 51ss. Wonder when those will be available.

Hard to tell in the photo but I can’t see any flat storage options.

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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [Ohio_Roadie] [ In reply to ]
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Said in another post. Nice bike. Looks like a Trek and a felt had a baby

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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [Ohio_Roadie] [ In reply to ]
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Storage? Bta integrated?
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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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Yes there Is a flat storage inside the Bike ;)

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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [Ohio_Roadie] [ In reply to ]
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Decent looking bike. Hopefully they don't go the route of so many others with to-the-moon pricing. IMO a lot of bike brands are unintentionally opening up the market for QR.
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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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In the Scott video, Kienle goes through the details of why the bike is more aero. He talks about the fork, the gap from front wheel to down tube, the tight fit of the rear wheel and the separation caused by the storage box. Not sure how real it all is, but it's nice to see explanations of their design decisions. I hope they follow up with data.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avybb3-IPEU


On Facebook someone flashed some "aero numbers" but was told to take it down. I hope they eventually publish.
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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [Ohio_Roadie] [ In reply to ]
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Nifty, but nothing revolutionary. I'm more excited about them finally offering the Dark Matter in a color other than "Buick LeSabre Beige."

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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [AnthonyParis] [ In reply to ]
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Website link only gives me a picture and a CTA, no information. Care to post some specs?

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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [Ohio_Roadie] [ In reply to ]
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 Trek + Felt = meh Argon
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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [Rideon77] [ In reply to ]
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Rideon77 wrote:
Trek + Felt = meh Argon

Trek SC (I own one) = shit brakes, shit bottom bracket, pain to adjust the height of aero bars

Felt IA (I owned one) = heavy as fuck, shitty to adjust handle bars with no tilt and ton of spacers and washers/bolts, shitty saddle adjustment, shitty bento box.


I don't think the argon is exactly a marriage of the above, it looks to be much better. .02
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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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Argon 18 has a post on the integrated disc brakes

https://www.argon18.com/...tegrated-disc-brakes
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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [walfisch] [ In reply to ]
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walfisch wrote:
Argon 18 has a post on the integrated disc brakes

https://www.argon18.com/...tegrated-disc-brakes

So a 1 watt advantage if riding at 300 watts...
I wonder how easy/difficult the calipers are to work on, adjust or replace if needed? Would it have been better to sacrifice 1 watt and been able to use any disc caliper?
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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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SBRcanuck wrote:
walfisch wrote:
Argon 18 has a post on the integrated disc brakes

https://www.argon18.com/...tegrated-disc-brakes

So a 1 watt advantage if riding at 300 watts...
I wonder how easy/difficult the calipers are to work on, adjust or replace if needed? Would it have been better to sacrifice 1 watt and been able to use any disc caliper?

Guess we have to wait for them to do the full reveal of the bike details, including stuff like the in-frame storage, pricing etc...
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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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SBRcanuck wrote:
walfisch wrote:
Argon 18 has a post on the integrated disc brakes

https://www.argon18.com/...tegrated-disc-brakes


So a 1 watt advantage if riding at 300 watts...
I wonder how easy/difficult the calipers are to work on, adjust or replace if needed? Would it have been better to sacrifice 1 watt and been able to use any disc caliper?

The rest of the aero data they will release will be interesting
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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [walfisch] [ In reply to ]
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Awhile back I was listening to a podcast with the owner of Parcours wheels, it was The Brick Session podcast.

And he was talking about the next real thing was designing disc brake wheels as integrated systems to be more aerodynamic than their rim brake predecessor/competitors. Based on that it seems for the most part disc rotors are just slapped onto the wheel.

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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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If your adjusting the bars a lot your doing it wrong

If you break a lot your doing it wrong
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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [Rideon77] [ In reply to ]
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Rideon77 wrote:
If your adjusting the bars a lot your doing it wrong

If you break a lot your doing it wrong

To each their own, but for me, it would be nice to experiment with different bar height once in a while without a pain in the ass disassembly.
And with regards to brakes, I'm not talking about braking power, I'm talking about brakes not properly returning to their open position, brake arms not being pulled equally, and a major pain to swap in wheels that are of different rim width.
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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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SBRcanuck wrote:
Rideon77 wrote:
If your adjusting the bars a lot your doing it wrong

If you break a lot your doing it wrong


To each their own, but for me, it would be nice to experiment with different bar height once in a while without a pain in the ass disassembly.
And with regards to brakes, I'm not talking about braking power, I'm talking about brakes not properly returning to their open position, brake arms not being pulled equally, and a major pain to swap in wheels that are of different rim width.

bingo. coming from a bike thats not easily adjustable on the front end at all to one that i can adjust VERY easily, ill take the latter any day of the week. its nice to go for a ride and be able to use my jersey pocket tool kit adjust stuff on the side of the road in 2 min to see what difference i feel.

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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [damon.lebeouf] [ In reply to ]
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damon.lebeouf wrote:
SBRcanuck wrote:
Rideon77 wrote:
If your adjusting the bars a lot your doing it wrong

If you break a lot your doing it wrong


To each their own, but for me, it would be nice to experiment with different bar height once in a while without a pain in the ass disassembly.
And with regards to brakes, I'm not talking about braking power, I'm talking about brakes not properly returning to their open position, brake arms not being pulled equally, and a major pain to swap in wheels that are of different rim width.

bingo. coming from a bike thats not easily adjustable on the front end at all to one that i can adjust VERY easily, ill take the latter any day of the week. its nice to go for a ride and be able to use my jersey pocket tool kit adjust stuff on the side of the road in 2 min to see what difference i feel.

Or nicer with disc brakes that never need to be adjusted if you don't eff em up versus shitty rim brakes that are basically amateur hour garbage. Easy to tool on, but really crap overall and work like crap too.
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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [Rideon77] [ In reply to ]
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Rideon77 wrote:
If your adjusting the bars a lot your doing it wrong


Ease of aero testing is probably the biggest thing manufacturers can do in the age of peek aero
Last edited by: marcag: Oct 13, 20 11:48
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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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New Electron or Pro Pursuit also?
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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [Rideon77] [ In reply to ]
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Rideon77 wrote:
If your adjusting the bars a lot your doing it wrong

If you break a lot your doing it wrong


Braking is dictated by the course. (ask Chloe Dygert). I agree that a lot of triathlons that require effectively no bike handling skill really don't need much in the way of brakes. Unless you want to use your bike to train on a lot.

I tinker all the time with bar position. Why not? Doing your own A/B aero testing is *so* much easier with easy adjustments of the bars.
Last edited by: trail: Oct 13, 20 12:59
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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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SBRcanuck wrote:
walfisch wrote:
Argon 18 has a post on the integrated disc brakes

https://www.argon18.com/...tegrated-disc-brakes


So a 1 watt advantage if riding at 300 watts...
I wonder how easy/difficult the calipers are to work on, adjust or replace if needed? Would it have been better to sacrifice 1 watt and been able to use any disc caliper?

It's design for design's sake... that's the way disc brakes should *always* have been.

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Re: New: Argon 18 E-119 Tri+ Disc - #WorstKeptSecret [Rideon77] [ In reply to ]
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Rideon77 wrote:
If your adjusting the bars a lot your doing it wrong

If you break a lot your doing it wrong

I'm always tinkering.

Also, saddle height, setback, and tilt are somewhat dependent on where my fitness is and what my legs and body are doing. Sometimes.

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