Jack was pretty chill and to the point. If you are going to act like a dick, then why bother going on the podcast at all!? Like you said, did himself zero favours. Will be interesting to see what others think...

Cliff notes? Link?

I cannot find an interview with Andrew Messick on how they train. Am I missing something? I hope not!

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He who understands the WHY, will understand the HOW.

I am conflict-averse to the point where I find listening to heated debate quite stressful, I'm not sure I can listen to this! Could someone summarize the main points?

Paid subscription currently but I’m sure he will release it in a few weeks.

But wow

OK Thanks. Been listening for a while did not realise there was a paywall on some of the podcasts - but I do now!!

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He who understands the WHY, will understand the HOW.

He has a subscription through Patreon. It's on there if you want to listen.

Can you please give us a summary of the interview? Key points here? Otherwise, this feels like click-bate

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Death is easy....peaceful. Life is harder.

And also how he said Elon Musk is taking Ironman under Tesla brand... so crazy.

Or maybe somebody post what was actually said?

Or did Elon Musk make it into the Exec challenge and got a slot to Kona....racing with the women this year? And riding an electric bike? lol


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Death is easy....peaceful. Life is harder.

Meh. This is more fun.

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Nothing here, wasted my time.

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How do we know?

so how does he train... give a week.

I have this one friend from high school who I essentially lost touch with and who never posts on Facebook anymore. She is a stay at home mom and I assume is pretty busy with her three kids. Now periodically, she will make some random post about selling teeth whitening toothpaste, and within ten minutes, over a dozen people from different parts of the U.S. will comment saying "oh wow, that worked so well for my family" or "we need more, will send you an order". This thread has that vibe so far. :D

This thread: OMG CWOT.

• no, we're not going to tell you how much we make
• pro long course triathletes only exist because of the ironman brand
• the pros can fuck off. we're not paying them more money
• 60+ ladies are hugely important and will always have a place at world championships. we're not shrinking the field.
• women and men will never race on the same day in different locations for world championships

I knew nothing about Messick going into this, but I can't understand why anyone here would like the guy at all. He's very much the CEO of a private company interested in maximizing profits and couldn't care less about the sport. He doesn't give a shit about pros or even the most competitive people around here and he'd rather maximize the number of age groupers he can get to each and every race.

And there is the issue.
Ironman is a business. But if they actually wanted to maximize the business, they would have started growing the sport, not the business, in 2007. (2007 is when they started setting up the current situation we're in)

Being a big fish in a small pond is always a bad idea in the long term.

I don't want to spoil the podcast by summarizing it and hope everyone gives it a listen, it's interesting ("It's not a popularity contest, it's about what's best overall for Ironman." - Messick from the interview).

Andrew Messick comes off extremely aggressive and disrespectful to Jack (he is eating in the middle of the podcast lol). I really don't understand why he went on the podcast as he comes off awful. Seemed completely unwilling to listen to what Jack was trying to say/ask.

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"I knew nothing about Messick going into this, but I can't understand why anyone here would like the guy at all. He's very much the CEO of a private company interested in maximizing profits and couldn't care less about the sport. He doesn't give a shit about pros or even the most competitive people around here and he'd rather maximize the number of age groupers he can get to each and every race."
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I have NOT listened to the pod cast (most aren't very good). I do know Andrew personally and I can say for a fact that the tone of your statement above is completely false. I "like the guy" a lot. He is really pretty amazing in all he does. Of course his job is to a run a profitable company (so is mine). Yes, he cares deeply for the sport. Yes he cares about pros. Of course he wants to maximize the number of age groupers. He/they deliver an exceptional product. Now, that certainly doesn't mean I agree with everything, and we can chat about that if you like.

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* Ironman for Life! (Blog) * IM Everyday Hero Video * Daggett Shuler Law *
Disclaimer: I have personal and professional relationships with many athletes, vendors, and organizations in the triathlon world.

Growing the sport brings more profit in the next decade. It's hard enough to get people to see past the next quarter, let alone the next year.

There's probably also a risk analysis. Growing the sport brings the risk of others eating some of the pie. Trademarking and copyrighting everything allows you to charge $900 for an event because there's no competition to drive prices, only what "60 year old ladies" are willing to pay.

I'd be curious to hear if you still like the guy after listening to this conversation. He does not seem to care deeply about the sport nor does he seem to care at all about the pros. I get his job is to maximize profits and he seems to do that well so I guess that makes him a good CEO of IronMan.

Yes, he is a friend. I promise I will still like him.

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David
* Ironman for Life! (Blog) * IM Everyday Hero Video * Daggett Shuler Law *
Disclaimer: I have personal and professional relationships with many athletes, vendors, and organizations in the triathlon world.

You should listen to the podcast.

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