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Martin Toft Madsen (MTM on ST) gunning for Wiggins' UCI World Hour Record on July 26 in Aguascalientes
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He should learn to toot his own horn a little better... ;)

Fresh off winning the Danish Pro TT a couple weeks ago for the 3rd year in a row, setting the Danish Hour Record earlier this year, and winning Chrono des Nations last fall, he is traveling to Mexico to attempt the UCI World Hour Record on July 26. I don't know about you, but I think that is very cool for someone with a day job. Especially because he has a good chance of getting the record!

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He's got a few sponsorships, but not enough to cover the ~$20k cost of doing this, so he has a fund raiser on Facebook to try to minimize his out of pocket expense. https://www.facebook.com/donate/777116082676639/

So. He went 52.318 km in Denmark earlier this year. I know he has made some small improvements since then. 54.526 km is what he is chasing. What do you think? A lot will depend on his response to altitude.
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Re: Martin Toft Madsen (MTM on ST) gunning for Wiggins' UCI World Hour Record on July 26 in Aguascalientes [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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Roughly needs to squeeze 9 laps into an hour.

From most reports of the Aguas track vs. sea level tracks around the world, you'd think he'd be very, very close to getting there just by going to that track if nothing else changes. That's not really considering a highly positive adaptation to altitude, which could be more.

On the negative, the track in Aguas is being refinished currently, which will slow it down some amount, although how much I don't know.

I think Martin has done his homework and talked to the right people... he wouldn't be going if he wasn't pretty confident.

Of course, once the record falls at Aguas, that becomes basically the only track in the world it can be attacked at in the future, which is kind of unfortunate.

*Good luck Martin, go left!

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Re: Martin Toft Madsen (MTM on ST) gunning for Wiggins' UCI World Hour Record on July 26 in Aguascalientes [Morelock] [ In reply to ]
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Morelock wrote:
Of course, once the record falls at Aguas, that becomes basically the only track in the world it can be attacked at in the future, which is kind of unfortunate.


I don't think it's unfortunate. All the big boys are scared to go after Wiggins at sea level, and this would open it up. I think it's great that a nice track was built in a relatively poor country like Mexico, and it's the fastest in the world. They could always build a track in the alps if they didn't want to travel so far.... ;)

So, the track refinishing. Any idea what that does? The coating will be not fully cured or something?
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Re: Martin Toft Madsen (MTM on ST) gunning for Wiggins' UCI World Hour Record on July 26 in Aguascalientes [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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I am not sure exactly what is entailed in the refinishing, definitely sanding and whatever coating is applied.
Rob (Van Houweling) spoke about it a little bit on the cycling time trial podcast a few weeks ago, he mentioned that Thomas Dekker would have broken the record if the track hadn't been refinished right before his attempt (he missed Rohan Dennis' then current record by slightly more than a lap)

I assume that the final coating on the boards raises the rolling resistance slightly, and as it wears down it lowers, although that's just my guess.

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Re: Martin Toft Madsen (MTM on ST) gunning for Wiggins' UCI World Hour Record on July 26 in Aguascalientes [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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It was interesting because when Wiggins set the record in Manchester, there was a bunch written about how he left the door open to have it broken by virtue of doing it at sea level. The overall experience in Manchester was supposed to be amazing, and he basically knew he had it barring some weird mishap (which can always happen), but given that I don't see him wanting to do it again, it did seem a bit odd that he didn't really put the record out of reach.

The consensus at the time was that Wiggins gave up 2-2.5km (!!!!) by doing it in Manchester vs going to Aguas in the first place. I recall reading that he'd had been well over 56 and possibly even 57+ if he'd done it at altitude. I would *assume* the financial incentives of doing it in Manchester were worthwhile, but interesting that he chose that over putting the record out of reach. Makes you wonder if he wanted (or wants) it to be broken...

I do think it would be pretty cool to see a guy like MTM set the record. Him doing what he's doing with a full time (very demanding) job has been a real inspiration to me as I've started my own track racing dreams. I'm following this with great interest.


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Re: Martin Toft Madsen (MTM on ST) gunning for Wiggins' UCI World Hour Record on July 26 in Aguascalientes [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Based on Alex Simmons' chart, 1.6 km (avg non acclimated) to 2.3 km (average acclimated) could be expected by going to AC (1887 ft) vs sea level. I don't know what the track is like compared to what Martin set his record on, but it looks like it's going to be close.

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Re: Martin Toft Madsen (MTM on ST) gunning for Wiggins' UCI World Hour Record on July 26 in Aguascalientes [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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Interesting. There's been a "Gentlemen's Agreement" not to go to Aguas for some time with the understanding that once one person does it, everyone will be forced there. It's a great place for an attempt, but not so great for sponsors, media, VIP's, etc. Good move for him, but bad for business. If he does get it, it will be akin to Barry Bonds breaking Hank Aaron's record. Yeah, he beat it, but... Not fair to him, perhaps, but there'll be an asterisk next to it for sure. Either that, or someone will just go down there and reset it not long after, OR, the UCI will pull an Obree on him by invalidating the track for some silly reason. The latter wouldn't surprise me one bit. Heck, I already know the excuse they'll likely use - it's not a fully enclosed/indoor track.

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Re: Martin Toft Madsen (MTM on ST) gunning for Wiggins' UCI World Hour Record on July 26 in Aguascalientes [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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*Wiggins was at the Olympic velodrome, Dowsett was at Manchester.

I think Wiggins had a lot of incentive to do it at the Olympic Velodrome, which was sold out. He wouldn't have sold out the Aguas track certainly.

He also got a really bad draw on the day he did it with the pressure. Had he gotten a better day, he'd very possibly have shelved the record. He was a pretty unique individual to attempt it though. (Being both a trackie and a TT specialist)

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Re: Martin Toft Madsen (MTM on ST) gunning for Wiggins' UCI World Hour Record on July 26 in Aguascalientes [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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Jim@EROsports wrote:
Interesting. There's been a "Gentlemen's Agreement" not to go to Aguas for some time with the understanding that once one person does it, everyone will be forced there. It's a great place for an attempt, but not so great for sponsors, media, VIP's, etc. Good move for him, but bad for business. If he does get it, it will be akin to Barry Bonds breaking Hank Aaron's record. Yeah, he beat it, but... Not fair to him, perhaps, but there'll be an asterisk next to it for sure. Either that, or someone will just go down there and reset it not long after, OR, the UCI will pull an Obree on him by invalidating the track for some silly reason. The latter wouldn't surprise me one bit. Heck, I already know the excuse they'll likely use - it's not a fully enclosed/indoor track.

On the other hand, historically a good number of the records were set at altitude, and even now the women's.

also, You never emailed me back Jim

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Re: Martin Toft Madsen (MTM on ST) gunning for Wiggins' UCI World Hour Record on July 26 in Aguascalientes [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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Jim@EROsports wrote:
Good move for him, but bad for business.

I don't see much business involved now, since no one has made a serious attempt in 3 years. Was hoping to see Cancellara give it a shot. Tony Martin doesn't seem interested. Actually no one seems to be interested anymore. If the record gets set in Mexico, that opens it up again. Good for business, IMO.
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Re: Martin Toft Madsen (MTM on ST) gunning for Wiggins' UCI World Hour Record on July 26 in Aguascalientes [Morelock] [ In reply to ]
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*Wiggins was at the Olympic velodrome, Dowsett was at Manchester.

I think Wiggins had a lot of incentive to do it at the Olympic Velodrome, which was sold out. He wouldn't have sold out the Aguas track certainly.

He also got a really bad draw on the day he did it with the pressure. Had he gotten a better day, he'd very possibly have shelved the record. He was a pretty unique individual to attempt it though. (Being both a trackie and a TT specialist)

Sarah Storey might've been able to break the record at Aguas, but the English seem to think it's unsporting to attempt at other than an English track. I had to smack my head when Michael Hutchinson was denigrating Molly van Houweling's record, and called Aguas her "local" track. Berkeley to Aguascalientes is about as far as London to Istanbul.
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Re: Martin Toft Madsen (MTM on ST) gunning for Wiggins' UCI World Hour Record on July 26 in Aguascalientes [RChung] [ In reply to ]
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I agree, although I read or maybe heard she thought it would be a very large (expensive) endeavor to go to altitude, which it definitely is... and goes from expensive to prohibitive if you want to spend 2-3 weeks there trying to adapt to the altitude and squeeze out all of the advantages. She also set some impressive records that will likely stand a long time, so she still had a good, but not perfect, day.

I think Vittoria will likely set the record for the women this year, and then we'll wait for a "big hitter" to take it (Where is Andy dropping vague hints at a K Armstrong attempt?)


I took Hutch's comment to mean she was used to that track since she'd done a lot of her attempts there... but yeah... Aguas definitely isn't a quick jump across the border from the US.

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Morelock wrote:
(Where is Andy dropping vague hints at a K Armstrong attempt?)

Wrong cyclist.
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Re: Martin Toft Madsen (MTM on ST) gunning for Wiggins' UCI World Hour Record on July 26 in Aguascalientes [Andrew Coggan] [ In reply to ]
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hmm... I'd swear I've seen you mention her before.

Different hint?

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I agree, although I read or maybe heard she thought it would be a very large (expensive) endeavor to go to altitude, which it definitely is... and goes from expensive to prohibitive if you want to spend 2-3 weeks there trying to adapt to the altitude and squeeze out all of the advantages. She also set some impressive records that will likely stand a long time, so she still had a good, but not perfect, day.

Molly's record has been broken twice. Bridie O'Donnell broke it a few months later; Evie Stevens now holds it. Bridie set her record near sea level; Evie set it at Colorado Springs.

I wasn't involved in the financial aspects, but I got the impression that a non-negligible part of the expense was getting the UCI officials on site. That's why there have been some "record attempt" days where several riders try to coordinate attempts, and thus share the cost of the track and officials.

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I took Hutch's comment to mean she was used to that track since she'd done a lot of her attempts there... but yeah... Aguas definitely isn't a quick jump across the border from the US.

Um, no. Molly broke the record the first time she went to Aguascalientes.
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RChung wrote:
Morelock wrote:
I agree, although I read or maybe heard she thought it would be a very large (expensive) endeavor to go to altitude, which it definitely is... and goes from expensive to prohibitive if you want to spend 2-3 weeks there trying to adapt to the altitude and squeeze out all of the advantages. She also set some impressive records that will likely stand a long time, so she still had a good, but not perfect, day.

Molly's record has been broken twice. Bridie O'Donnell broke it a few months later; Evie Stevens now holds it. Bridie set her record near sea level; Evie set it at Colorado Springs.


Right... I'm not sure what that has to do with what we were talking about though... (which was Sarah Storey and her attempt)

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I took Hutch's comment to mean she was used to that track since she'd done a lot of her attempts there... but yeah... Aguas definitely isn't a quick jump across the border from the US.

Um, no. Molly broke the record the first time she went to Aguascalientes.


If you're talking about the UCI pro record, it was definitely not until at least her 3rd trip to Aguas. But yes, she did set A record on her first trip... still not sure how that relates to Hutch's comment (which was made after her first trip)

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Morelock wrote:
RChung wrote:
Morelock wrote:
I agree, although I read or maybe heard she thought it would be a very large (expensive) endeavor to go to altitude, which it definitely is... and goes from expensive to prohibitive if you want to spend 2-3 weeks there trying to adapt to the altitude and squeeze out all of the advantages. She also set some impressive records that will likely stand a long time, so she still had a good, but not perfect, day.

Molly's record has been broken twice. Bridie O'Donnell broke it a few months later; Evie Stevens now holds it. Bridie set her record near sea level; Evie set it at Colorado Springs.


Right... I'm not sure what that has to do with what we were talking about though... (which was Sarah Storey and her attempt)

Ah, sorry, I read "she" as Molly, not Sarah. I think the issue with Sarah Storey may have been financial: she got support in part by agreeing to televise the attempt when the British public could see it live. The attempt at Aguas would have happened in the middle of the night.

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I took Hutch's comment to mean she was used to that track since she'd done a lot of her attempts there... but yeah... Aguas definitely isn't a quick jump across the border from the US.

Um, no. Molly broke the record the first time she went to Aguascalientes.


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If you're talking about the UCI pro record, it was definitely not until at least her 3rd trip to Aguas.

I may be wrong, but I don't recall it that way. She had made a couple of "unofficial" attempts at sea level at Carson, including one that would have broken van Moorsel's record, but it was unofficial because she hadn't been on the bio passport long enough and so hadn't spent the money for UCI accreditation (since it wouldn't have counted anyway). My recollection is that the "UCI-sanctioned" record was the first time at Aguas. But my memory of these things has been known to be wrong.
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Re: Martin Toft Madsen (MTM on ST) gunning for Wiggins' UCI World Hour Record on July 26 in Aguascalientes [Morelock] [ In reply to ]
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I would think that the answer would be obvious.

That said, I don't know how seriously the idea was considered.
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Jim@EROsports wrote:
Interesting. There's been a "Gentlemen's Agreement" not to go to Aguas for some time with the understanding that once one person does it, everyone will be forced there. It's a great place for an attempt, but not so great for sponsors, media, VIP's, etc. Good move for him, but bad for business. If he does get it, it will be akin to Barry Bonds breaking Hank Aaron's record. Yeah, he beat it, but... Not fair to him, perhaps, but there'll be an asterisk next to it for sure. Either that, or someone will just go down there and reset it not long after, OR, the UCI will pull an Obree on him by invalidating the track for some silly reason. The latter wouldn't surprise me one bit. Heck, I already know the excuse they'll likely use - it's not a fully enclosed/indoor track.

Erasing records and invalidating tracks just seems like a bad idea to me. Now if they want a "Gentleman' Record", they could agree to running a Merkx record. Make the altitude and equipment as close the Merkx as is reasonable and see what happens. If the "Gentlemen" feel like dethroning the legend than they can have at on similar terms.

Just let the technology do its thing for the regular record. The UCI should learn from their last attempt at regulation, which killed interest in the record for the better part of a decade.
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He should learn to toot his own horn a little better... ;)

Fresh off winning the Danish Pro TT a couple weeks ago for the 3rd year in a row, setting the Danish Hour Record earlier this year, and winning Chrono des Nations last fall, he is traveling to Mexico to attempt the UCI World Hour Record on July 26. I don't know about you, but I think that is very cool for someone with a day job. Especially because he has a good chance of getting the record!

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He's got a few sponsorships, but not enough to cover the ~$20k cost of doing this, so he has a fund raiser on Facebook to try to minimize his out of pocket expense. https://www.facebook.com/donate/777116082676639/

So. He went 52.318 km in Denmark earlier this year. I know he has made some small improvements since then. 54.526 km is what he is chasing. What do you think? A lot will depend on his response to altitude.

Go MTM

This is very cool for someone with a day job!
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It would be great for him to take out Wiggins record..but I think he will be slightly short.
I wouldn't go for a record there without a margin of -1.5km versus slightly above sea level at that average speed.
But I'm conservative and not a risk taker.
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grumpier.mike wrote:
Now if they want a "Gentleman' Record", they could agree to running a Merkx record.

Merckx set his record in Mexico City, so it isn't like it's not traditional.
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Bernoullitrial wrote:
It would be great for him to take out Wiggins record..but I think he will be slightly short.
I wouldn't go for a record there without a margin of -1.5km versus slightly above sea level at that average speed.

It'll probably be close, but I bet he's about there anyway. More track experience, equipment and position refinements, and more power (the Danish record was set in the off season). He's a smart guy and a regular machine when it's time to perform.

The podcast that Chris Morelock mentioned is here: https://player.fm/...g-and-kevin-metcalfe
Cost ended up being < $2500/person. Less than doing it at CO Springs apparently. MTM said he couldn't go in with a bunch of age-groupers because UCI Elite has different requirements and officials.
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Yeah i really hope the record doesn’t fall at altitude.
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Yeah i really hope the record doesn’t fall at altitude.

Who cares if its set at altitude? Merckx set his in Mexico city. Many others have done tried at altitude, some set new marks others failed. Its not as simple as just going to altitude and expecting to be much faster. You must be acclimatized to the effort and the altitude. Its a balancing act

Good Luck Martin, i'll be cheering you on from over here in Aus
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