You’re playfully razzing Lionel, as he’s able to hang with his genetic peers on Zwift, but in real life he couldn’t. You’re also subtly zinging the pro cyclists, as the only thing separating them from a mere pro triathlete is not watts or ability but time on a bike.

Well done! Just say “sworry” and we’ll say no more about it ;)

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Nope. But it takes a special mind to see burns where they don't exist.

First I am a fan of Lionel's having had the opportunity to work with him a few times. He's a great guy and I think this attempt is just what we need right now.

The guy simply said he thinks Lionel will be very strong on a 1 hour effort as seen on Zwift. This rider is well aware of Lionel's capabilities as he comes from tri himself and his g/f is quite involved at the half distance and he's seen him race a few time.

He has also said he'd love to TT Lionel one day.

Nope, just sarcasm.

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Special dude, I wish him the best. Hope he has fun at it through all the training and prep.

FWIW, I feel there should be a distinction when comparing pro triathletes and pack fodder pros instead of the GC contenders or the TT specialists. Some of even the longer ITT in stage races have some staggering power and speed data for the TT specialists and GC contenders.

Had a call earlier today with the Sports Presentation team that will be in place to cover Lionel's attempt at the Canadian One Hour Record on the track. Here are the basic details.

Date - Oct. 23.

Time - Start time will be about 12:30PM EDT

Location - Mattamy National Cycling Center, Milton, ON. Note to local folk in the Toronto area, there will be NO spectators allowed in the building due to the COVID-19 situation. Only a skeleton support crew for Lionel and the Sports Presentation team will be allowed in the building. The Live Stream will be where to watch this (see below)

Sports Presentation - We will be producing a live stream "broadcast" that will be streamed on Lionel's YouTube Page - https://www.youtube.com/...ct8TB_8l5HsQHBBr8hyQ I have been asked to Host the Commentary and I will have Expert Input from the man who currently holds the Canadian One Hour Record, and won a Bronze Medal in the Team Pursuit event at the 2015 Pan Am Games on this same track, Ed "The Read Deal" Veal! Video Technical and Production work will be by Greg McFadden who has shot video extensively for IRONMAN for many years, and working remotely, due to COVID-19 restrictions, Talbot Cox.

I'm sure there will be many questions - fire away and I will try and answer.

Looking forward to this!

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You’re playfully razzing Lionel, as he’s able to hang with his genetic peers on Zwift, but in real life he couldn’t. You’re also subtly zinging the pro cyclists, as the only thing separating them from a mere pro triathlete is not watts or ability but time on a bike.


If we learned anything this year - there is a BIG difference between Zwift Racing and real bike road racing on the road!

But - Fitness for your best Zwift racing performance, more or less is the same, and reasonably close to the fitness needed for one hour on the track.

Most of the top level Zwift races are in the 45 min to 1 hour range.

In terms of pure fitness - from what I know, and some inside info, Lionel HAS the power profile and fitness to really have a serious go at this. His limiter is going to be familiarity with riding the track, and riding a track bike and fixed gear! My understanding is the training sessions have gone well.

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Any feedback on if he has the aerodynamics to do it ?
The eyeball wind tunnel (which is not very accurate) says he's not far from where he was when he was in Milton filming "chasing the Lion"

Pretty excited for this. I’m fully in the camp of appreciating this for what it is, a really cool challenge when there’s no racing to be had.

And being in Canada, I’m equally excited that this will be on YouTube and I won’t need to buy a 12 month subscription to Flo tv to see it!

That's great! Thanks for the information.

Do you know if Lionel has been in contact with any record holders from previous years or other people with this expertise? I know Alex Dowsett offered to chat (a comment on Lionel's youtube video) with him about the attempt but wasn't sure if anyone else offered up their expertise or if Lionel took up any offers.

Plenty of folks chiming in about the "old chestnut" ... Lionel´s aero position. What all seem to miss is making changes can take months to adapt to with ensuing losses of power that are not outweighed by aero gains, they can also change comfort and they can change bike handling (Kienle has talked about this in his "testing mantis was fast but straighter extensions more stable" ... paraphrasing).

I´ll also share this prime example of the risk of disappearing down aero rabbit holes...

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/...-world-champs-288833

First and foremost Lionel´s track position has to be UCI legal, it is. Secondly it needs to be comfortable and stable because that allows him to put out big watts.

We know what works *for him* but we also know he doesn´t *look* like Campanearts or Wiggins or Dowsett .... nor should he, everyone´s body is different.

This is simply Lionel doing something awesome, being Lionel and having some fun but rest assured he hasn´t forgotten he is a triathlete nor forgotten there´s a big race in December!!

We have heard from a few Hour record holders and attempt'ers and I´ve certainly communicated with one of them.

Kind Regards,

David

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+1, really looking forward to this. As always, Lionel keeping things interesting while most other pro's are not heard from.

Thanks for chiming in

Lionel did make some noise on his positioning and aero testing when he went to his new bike supplier. His social media showed some pics of the new position.

Did he have to revert some of those changes for UCI reasons ?

Are there plans to share his power file post race ?

The quick answer is - Yes, I am sure there were some minor modifications to be made to meet the UCI regulations.

Going back to a previous, David Tilbury-Davis post here, you really don't want to change much at this stage - at these sorts of sustained power outputs, little changes can take a while to get used to, and while there may be some "gains" here and there for aero, if you can't sustain the power - it's all a wash or worse!

Here's another complicating factor - a full disc front wheel is pretty tricky to handle. So whatever the position is - you need to have confidence in handling the front end of the bike - however you are set up!

Yes it's in the a velodrome, so wind is not a factor, but you are constantly moving the front wheel slightly off-center as you turn left*. The straightaways, where you truly have everything lined up straight are pretty short. At the speed Lionel will be moving 50 km/h roughly, it's only for a few seconds, then back into another turn.

*Knowing the track is key and how the bike will handle. You are not so much as "turning", but using the curve, and the banking and your body to get the bike going left. At these speeds, you are actually counter steering a bit to keep it all in line - using the banking and working with it.(with experience this all become subconscious) Still that front wheel is constantly coming on and off line slightly and one false move and it will catch a huge amount of air. I've seen some of the best Track Pursuit riders in the world take a riding a front disk take a tumble!!

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Thanks

I completely agree and understand on the no making any changes.

I guess what surprised me was his position seems different than some of the stuff we've seen after his fittings in the US and his aero testing.....all of which has been a while ago. Maybe it's the same. Maybe Jim can chime in on the differences if any.

Canadian record is sub 50, correct ?

I hope this motivates some of the Canadian pro cyclists and creates some momentum around the event.

WRT the front disc, I wonder if it would be faster from a comfort and stress standpoint to run a trispoke or deep dish front. Maybe marginally faster with all things being equal, but being more comfortable would be faster in the end.

Once he explained the rule about 75 cm ( I believe) it became obvious that his tri position is well beyond that number. I just hope he is back to that position for Daytona because it looks really slick (although, we haven't seen any video of a wind tunnel or more track aero testing, yet).

This is the most excited I've been to see a boring bike ride in a long, LONG time!

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This is the most excited I've been to see a boring bike ride in a long, LONG time!


Brent,

We'll try and make it exciting! :-)

While I do have people's attention not just to Brent but to everyone on the Forum, on this - what DO you want us to talk about during the Live Stream. What questions do you want answered (ask away here on this thread)? What do you want us to talk about?

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Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog

Just an idea, it could be cool to get MTM on the line to share some of his experiences and get his commentary.

Not sure you are allowed to do this, but stick a WASP under his seat and show the Alphamantis dashboard of power, speed and CDA. That would be cool

Canadian record is a shade under 49kmph.

Most of difference is due to UCI rules so don´t read much into the change in position.

David

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David T-D
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Easy peasy for him :-)

Bike details and "official" race date/time announcement

Just an idea, it could be cool to get MTM on the line to share some of his experiences and get his commentary.

Not sure you are allowed to do this, but stick a WASP under his seat and show the Alphamantis dashboard of power, speed and CDA. That would be cool


Who is MTM??

The UCI is funny/serious about extra stuff on the bike - no cameras, etc . .for these attempts.

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Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog

Martin Toft Madsen. He is MTM here on ST. I think he posted in the thread. He has (or had) the Danish record and did at lease one attempt at the world record.

Super technical dude.

Shimano SPD-SL instead of Speedplay aeros? That seems like a rather large mistake.

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Not so much a question for Lionel but for the broadcast, will we be seeing real time overlay of his time, distance, and projected distance over 1 hour, if he's ahead or behind, etc?

Also, he is not allowed to have power I believe I heard in the vido, so my guess is we will not have any data (hear rate, power, etc.) to follow along, as he recently did with his 6km TT run video? Is this correct?

What will be his post event meal? (Pangoa bowl Freshi?) (Pizza?)

Lastly, thank you for helping out with the broadcast, DAMN I'm going to miss an hour+ of work next Friday for this!! Really looking forward to it!!