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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [oprfcc] [ In reply to ]
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He's not the best at turning and the hour record has a lot of turning.
I'd venture to say he's never ridden a fixed gear, but I could be wrong.

i don't know about the fixed gear, but i was at the L.A. velodrome with him a couple of years ago. he had no trouble riding it. i would not imagine it would take him long to get used to a fixed gear. canyon wouldn't have to make him a dedicated track frame. they would rig up a road (speedmax) frame with a fixed gear. wouldn't be hard. it would not be hard for him to adapt to a UCI legal position. if he were taller, maybe, but at his height it would not be hard. i would imagine he'd do this at aguascalientes. the biggest problem would be to get around current travel moritoria and whatnot. but maybe it's easier for a canadian to go to mexico. don't know.

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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not saying you're wrong, some people are naturally good at riding the black.
But for the majority, riding a tight black line is a lot different at 30-40-50 minutes than it is for a few minutes testing.

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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [Morelock] [ In reply to ]
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Morelock wrote:
his nickname is Ed "The Real Deal" Veal for a reason lol

He didn't like Ed "Try The" Veal?

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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [triordie1994] [ In reply to ]
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triordie1994 wrote:
Why be UCI compliant?

Rather do it a la Kipchoge for marketing purposes.

Use a bike he is comfortable with and get an "unofficial" record for his cult following.

This
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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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RandMart wrote:
Morelock wrote:
his nickname is Ed "The Real Deal" Veal for a reason lol


He didn't like Ed "Try The" Veal?

hahaha

too tender of a nickname

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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [The Red Baron] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed. Random thoughts:

1)Veals beat Sanders on a "Zwift" style of effort. Sanders has a bit more power these days?, if he can dial in his position on the bike, he should have no issues taking the record from Veals.

2) I disagree that any conti pro can take Veal's record just based on Zwift's wattage. It is not easy to ride 60 minutes on a track in an UCI legal aero position otherwise any up and coming pro would have claimed it, as it is a good title to have at least temporarily in your resume. Images of Jack Bobridge's failed attempt come to mind, and the guy was a former pursuit world champion.

3) My estimate is a 50-51 kph performance, this is good for Canada, as it will set the benchmark above the 50 kph mark.
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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [MrTri123] [ In reply to ]
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It wouldn't even be an unofficial record. It would just be something he did on a bike.
He might as well ride the Salt Flats for an hour on a recumbent at that point.

Even if he follows all the UCI rules and hit's the mark, it will be unofficial for a world record attempt. He's not in the biological passport program. I don't know if that is the rule for the Canadian mark.
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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [oprfcc] [ In reply to ]
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oprfcc wrote:
It wouldn't even be an unofficial record. It would just be something he did on a bike.
He might as well ride the Salt Flats for an hour on a recumbent at that point.

Even if he follows all the UCI rules and hit's the mark, it will be unofficial for a world record attempt. He's not in the biological passport program. I don't know if that is the rule for the Canadian mark.

That.

Would it be cool to see him try? Yes. Is he physically capable? Yes. Will he do it? Doubtful. There just isn't enough upside for him.
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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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At about the 6 minute mark he mentions that he'll be doing the attempt on the same track where the current record was set.
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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [brasch] [ In reply to ]
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The fixed gears on a track is what makes me dont completely understand cycling. Why must it be foxed gears. I Can maybe understand it for points races and such, but for the hour Record?

Because brakes are very dangerous in track cycling. You'll bring down everyone with a little tap. Also, for wooden tracks, negative traction is bad news especially on banked turns.
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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [FuzzyRunner] [ In reply to ]
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FuzzyRunner wrote:
At about the 6 minute mark he mentions that he'll be doing the attempt on the same track where the current record was set.

Yes he said Milton, same place Ed did it. He's not going for a world record and I don't even think he's trying to get in the books as an "official" Canadian record. It's a new challenge for him to keep things fresh in the absence of racing. He's friends with Ed, respects him a lot, and just like in triathlon, he wants to measure himself against stronger athletes.

Any talk of him making a run at the world record or flying down to Aguascslientes is ridiculous.
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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [Morelock] [ In reply to ]
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Morelock wrote:
RandMart wrote:
Morelock wrote:
his nickname is Ed "The Real Deal" Veal for a reason lol


He didn't like Ed "Try The" Veal?


hahaha

too tender of a nickname

He's probably riding an Italian bike - a Scallopini, or a Saltimbocca, perhaps?

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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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brasch wrote:
The fixed gears on a track is what makes me dont completely understand cycling. Why must it be foxed gears. I Can maybe understand it for points races and such, but for the hour Record?


Because brakes are very dangerous in track cycling. You'll bring down everyone with a little tap. Also, for wooden tracks, negative traction is bad news especially on banked turns.

in addition... once you stop pedaling you are done in this type effort. its just like zwift, need to pedal all the time even in a drafting race
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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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synthetic wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:
brasch wrote:
The fixed gears on a track is what makes me dont completely understand cycling. Why must it be foxed gears. I Can maybe understand it for points races and such, but for the hour Record?


Because brakes are very dangerous in track cycling. You'll bring down everyone with a little tap. Also, for wooden tracks, negative traction is bad news especially on banked turns.

in addition... once you stop pedaling you are done in this type effort. its just like zwift, need to pedal all the time even in a drafting race

Freewheeling and the lack of breaking, cool with me. But there still might be a need to change gears?
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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [brasch] [ In reply to ]
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No. That's the point. You pick *A* gear. Think of it like a Time Trial with no wind and no turnaround. Ceteris paribus, you'd do the entire thing in a single gear.
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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [brasch] [ In reply to ]
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brasch wrote:
synthetic wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:
brasch wrote:
The fixed gears on a track is what makes me dont completely understand cycling. Why must it be foxed gears. I Can maybe understand it for points races and such, but for the hour Record?


Because brakes are very dangerous in track cycling. You'll bring down everyone with a little tap. Also, for wooden tracks, negative traction is bad news especially on banked turns.


in addition... once you stop pedaling you are done in this type effort. its just like zwift, need to pedal all the time even in a drafting race


Freewheeling and the lack of breaking, cool with me. But there still might be a need to change gears?

fiesta island record here in san diego, popular outdoor TT spot for 20,40k and more , the record was set on single speed bike
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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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synthetic wrote:

fiesta island record here in san diego, popular outdoor TT spot for 20,40k and more , the record was set on single speed bike

Come to think of it, John Frey's 40k US Record was set on a fixed gear.
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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [RKW] [ In reply to ]
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Single speed drivetrains are lower friction than derailleur setups (and more aero, and lighter). If the course is pancake flat it's the way to go.

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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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rruff wrote:
And Ed has already beaten Lionel. 446W vs 419W.

If anything this will be a good reason for Lionel get his aero sorted (again).


Are you suggesting Ed Veal did 446w for 1 hour???
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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [TheWhiteCarrot] [ In reply to ]
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TheWhiteCarrot wrote:
rruff wrote:
And Ed has already beaten Lionel. 446W vs 419W.

If anything this will be a good reason for Lionel get his aero sorted (again).



Are you suggesting Ed Veal did 446w for 1 hour???

"Best TT specialist in Canada".!? How little he knows, Svein Tuft could take 5 minutes out of Ed in a 40k. Ed is a very quality rider but he's a better crit racer than TT guy. Ed broke new ground when he set this but Im sure he would tell you it could be beaten. I remember him telling me how hard it was on the track with limited prep holding the position and constant cadence (he's very experienced in track technique)-the wattage was like 350 if I remember right. If Lionel invests in some trial runs and really trains in the position at a constant high cadence he could crush it. If he just shows up off the wahoo he might not even make it an hour.

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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [Jordano] [ In reply to ]
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Jordano wrote:
TheWhiteCarrot wrote:
rruff wrote:
And Ed has already beaten Lionel. 446W vs 419W.

If anything this will be a good reason for Lionel get his aero sorted (again).



Are you suggesting Ed Veal did 446w for 1 hour???


"Best TT specialist in Canada".!? How little he knows, Svein Tuft could take 5 minutes out of Ed in a 40k. Ed is a very quality rider but he's a better crit racer than TT guy. Ed broke new ground when he set this but Im sure he would tell you it could be beaten. I remember him telling me how hard it was on the track with limited prep holding the position and constant cadence (he's very experienced in track technique)-the wattage was like 350 if I remember right. If Lionel invests in some trial runs and really trains in the position at a constant high cadence he could crush it. If he just shows up off the wahoo he might not even make it an hour.


This is what I’m getting at. Jordan hit this one spot on. Lots of people on here don’t know what they don’t know.
Last edited by: TheWhiteCarrot: Jul 28, 20 18:59
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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [Jordano] [ In reply to ]
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Ed is a machine and huge, huge respect for him, but completely with you on this. In the Ontario provincial scene it would be quite an upset if he were to win the road TT championship, never mind Nationals.

As for Lionel, dude just loves to compete and look for a challenge, and with no races why the hell not jump on the boards and see what you can do. Can he do it? No idea but wouldn’t rule him out and will be fun to watch.

Jordano wrote:
TheWhiteCarrot wrote:
rruff wrote:
And Ed has already beaten Lionel. 446W vs 419W.

If anything this will be a good reason for Lionel get his aero sorted (again).



Are you suggesting Ed Veal did 446w for 1 hour???

"Best TT specialist in Canada".!? How little he knows, Svein Tuft could take 5 minutes out of Ed in a 40k. Ed is a very quality rider but he's a better crit racer than TT guy. Ed broke new ground when he set this but Im sure he would tell you it could be beaten. I remember him telling me how hard it was on the track with limited prep holding the position and constant cadence (he's very experienced in track technique)-the wattage was like 350 if I remember right. If Lionel invests in some trial runs and really trains in the position at a constant high cadence he could crush it. If he just shows up off the wahoo he might not even make it an hour.
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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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brasch wrote:
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NordicSkier wrote:
brasch wrote:
The fixed gears on a track is what makes me dont completely understand cycling. Why must it be foxed gears. I Can maybe understand it for points races and such, but for the hour Record?


Because brakes are very dangerous in track cycling. You'll bring down everyone with a little tap. Also, for wooden tracks, negative traction is bad news especially on banked turns.


in addition... once you stop pedaling you are done in this type effort. its just like zwift, need to pedal all the time even in a drafting race


Freewheeling and the lack of breaking, cool with me. But there still might be a need to change gears?


fiesta island record here in san diego, popular outdoor TT spot for 20,40k and more , the record was set on single speed bike

It's old-school, but pretty sure Obree set some Scottish and British records on a fixed gear setup. I know reading his book that he mentioned racing outdoors on a fixie quite a few times. I am horrified enough as a hobbyist TT guy bombing down a hill in the skis at 45mph knowing I do have brakes. Much less riding a freaking fixie knowing I don't have brakes! Yikes.
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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]
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fwiw outdoors almost all "fixie" racers have the required two brakes (one on the front and your legs ;) )

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Re: Lionel going to for the Canadian Hour Record [Morelock] [ In reply to ]
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Morelock wrote:
fwiw outdoors almost all "fixie" racers have the required two brakes (one on the front and your legs ;) )

Still scary as hell though :D I ride fixed gear TTs a bit and have most of my PBs set on fixed (UK races allow it, but it's UCI illegal). You have to gear for the downhill sections as otherwise you get to the bottom of hills completely cooked, but you can always slog it uphill in whatever gear you've got without really losing time.

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