I've done a 50 in Saucony Kinvaras without any problems (terrain wasn't rocky/rooty), which is what I had run on pavement with as well. Didn't change shoes at all during the race. Now I am using Hoka Claytons and so far (~31mi training runs again for a non rocky/rooty terrain) they have been superb and feet feel in good condition. I intend to use the Claytons in a 100 later this year and don't plan to change them during the race unless I crap myself or something...
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Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [cbritri]
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Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [cbritri]
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cbritri wrote:
What do you guys do for shoes? My feet were beat to crap last year after the 50. Doing the 100 this year and debating changing shoes every 25, or at least halfway. Does it help? Last year I was in Hokas too. At some point I am wondering if it is not about the softness. 7 weeks to go and thinking this is going to really, really hurt.
Looking after your feet is more important than changing shoes.
Knowing how to prevent and, if necessary, treat blisters is Ultra 101. Prevention is usually easier than treatment.
Your long training runs and shorter races should give a strong indication of which shoes are most comfortable for a 100 miler.
Blisters are primarily caused by two things: pressure and friction. Plan to eliminate these.
Preventative taping of particular spots where you are susceptible to blistering may be useful. Lube over the top of tape.
If a "hot spot" develops mid-race, don't wait to treat it. It won't get better on it's own. 5 minutes of foot maintenance early can save hours in the back end of the race.
Tape and lube are your friends.
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [satanellus]
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Probably a good idea to bring some foot-aid stuff. I take pretty good care of my feet though.
Next thing on my mind, what, if any, real food do you eat? Can you make it on energy drinks, gels, etc.? Somebody told me chicken, cheese, avocado quesadilla. That sounds like a lot. I know the usual stuff at the aid stations. I would rather keep it simple. Last year for my 50 I did GU Roctane drink and gels until my stomach shut down. That started before the race, so not really a result of my plan that day. I train doing a gel every 4 miles.
Brian
Next thing on my mind, what, if any, real food do you eat? Can you make it on energy drinks, gels, etc.? Somebody told me chicken, cheese, avocado quesadilla. That sounds like a lot. I know the usual stuff at the aid stations. I would rather keep it simple. Last year for my 50 I did GU Roctane drink and gels until my stomach shut down. That started before the race, so not really a result of my plan that day. I train doing a gel every 4 miles.
Brian
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [Turd Ferguson]
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I'll be doing the Rio Del Lago 100 miler, Nov 5-6 http://rio100mile.com/
I'll be doing the Birkie Trail Marathon this coming Saturday as a tune-up. I've only done a 50 miler previously so this will be my first attempt at 100 miles.
I'll be doing the Birkie Trail Marathon this coming Saturday as a tune-up. I've only done a 50 miler previously so this will be my first attempt at 100 miles.
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [satanellus]
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what kind of tape do you use for blister prevention?
lately i am getting an almost blister on the side of the ball of my foot. kinesio tape did not stay stuck.
lately i am getting an almost blister on the side of the ball of my foot. kinesio tape did not stay stuck.
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [gogogo!]
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I'm interested here as well and about fueling. I get a under the callous blister on the long run and would love a tape solution. As for fuel, I'm still not sure what I'll in November. I'm trying different things but nothing is all that good right now.
Brian
“Eat and Drink, spin the legs and you’re going to effin push (today).” A Howe
Brian
“Eat and Drink, spin the legs and you’re going to effin push (today).” A Howe
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [gogogo!]
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gogogo! wrote:
what kind of tape do you use for blister prevention? lately i am getting an almost blister on the side of the ball of my foot. kinesio tape did not stay stuck.
During the March 15 Science of Ultra podcast they had John VonHof who talked a lot about foot/inside shoe taping strategies
http://www.scienceofultra.com/...gory=Health+and+Care
Here's his book as well: https://www.amazon.com/...care#customerReviews
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [TriBri00]
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I'm interested here as well and about fueling. I get a under the callous blister on the long run and would love a tape solution. As for fuel, I'm still not sure what I'll in November. I'm trying different things but nothing is all that good right now.I've used Gatorade and Skratch for my Ironman racing but recently tried Tailwind and I'm pretty sure I'll be using it for my 100 miler in November
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [JimK]
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is there enough calories in that ? no solid food for 24 hours? I've never done a 100 miler, but I would worry about getting the shits on only liquid nutrition. OTOH, if you did an Ironman I guess it'll work for you going a bit longer
Brian
“Eat and Drink, spin the legs and you’re going to effin push (today).” A Howe
Brian
“Eat and Drink, spin the legs and you’re going to effin push (today).” A Howe
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [TriBri00]
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TriBri00 wrote:
is there enough calories in that ? no solid food for 24 hours? I've never done a 100 miler, one but would worries about getting the shits on only liquid nutrition. OTOH, if you did an Ironman I guess it'll work for you going a bit longerI plan on taking a GuRoctane or just GU per 60 to 90 min, at least to start and will graze on aid station food (salty chips, etc) as the race wears on. Will probably have applesauce packs in drop bags as well. I've experimented with different solid foods on my long runs (up to 30 mi) and have tolerated everything well. Tailwind will be mixed 2 scoops per 24 oz bottle (200 cals).
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [JimK]
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Heading to Sacramento in the morning to take on the Rio Del Lago 100 Mile Endurance Run this weekend. High of 71 on Saturday with lows Fri and Sat nights in low 50s with just a chance of showers Sat night. A little warm on Sat but I'll take it.
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [JimK]
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JimK wrote:
Heading to Sacramento in the morning to take on the Rio Del Lago 100 Mile Endurance Run this weekend. High of 71 on Saturday with lows Fri and Sat nights in low 50s with just a chance of showers Sat night. A little warm on Sat but I'll take it.Good luck out there. Have you done a 100M race before?
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [JimK]
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Good luck! My first 100 is on the 12th. It will be much warmer than I planned on, but it was a pretty hot summer. Feeling ready. Now just need a little bit of luck myself. Let us know how it goes.
Brian
Brian
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [JimK]
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JimK wrote:
Heading to Sacramento in the morning to take on the Rio Del Lago 100 Mile Endurance Run this weekend. High of 71 on Saturday with lows Fri and Sat nights in low 50s with just a chance of showers Sat night. A little warm on Sat but I'll take it.How did the race go for you? The weather was outstanding. I was out there as well. It was by far, the toughest event I've every done! This tops the list over 2013 IMLT and the Death Ride by a long shot.
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [Turd Ferguson]
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Have my first Ultra coming up in February. The Dunes 100 miler on soft terrain which includes lots of sugar sand. Recently did my first full distance triathlon and trying to figure out how much harder the 100 miler would be.
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [dualsport]
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I had a good base coming off IM Boulder in August (second full distance tri). RDL 100 was a different beast entirely for me. Prior to Saturday, I had never run more than 31 miles or climbed more than 9,000'. RDL was 100 miles with 13,000' of gain. My biggest mistake was my failure to properly train or plan. I assumed that I could get by on fitness from Boulder. I finished but I certainly learned a lot. I was a complete rookie out there.
A few takeaways.
A few takeaways.
- Take care of your feet as mentioned in an earlier post! A $20 pair of ultra gaiters would have saved me from 45 miles of sheer pain. Rocks and gravel were constantly in my shoes. Also, have the right socks!
- Have a plan for nutrition! I fell short on sodium intake and was unable to take in calories later in the race
- Light - Be sure to have a back-up battery or headlamp. I started losing my light at mile 97 and had to rely on a crappy little Energizer light. I deliberately left my back-up battery at mile 74 thinking I'd finish earlier than I did. Oops.
- Be sure to have good pacers and communicate your race plan and your needs ahead of time. I had good pacers and wouldn't have finished without them!
- Training: I averaged less than 40 miles per week during the 12 weeks leading up to RDL. This was not enough for me.
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [dualsport]
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Anyone interested in starting an Un-official 2017 Ultra running thread? I'm trying to get some motivation for next year's season as I totally took 2016 off completely.
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [masterslacker]
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Yes I would. I'm doing IMNZ in March 17 and was really thinking about doing my first ultra in Sept 17. It's a 100km, longest I've ever run so far is 26km!
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [Turd Ferguson]
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Running my first 100+ in February in Jacksonville. The 110 with Donna. It's kind of a stage race with 84 on Saturday then join a marathon on Sunday morning. It's all asphalt, which sucks. Only doing it because of the cause, breast cancer research.
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [rjrankin]
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I'm looking forward to my first (JFK50), but doubt there will be a second. I'm done with the big weeks and tapering for the race on the 19th. The last few weeks I've been getting my mileage in and will run into cyclists (road and MTB). I'll see them and think, wow that looks like fun. I get all wistful for a nice day on the bike.
Brian
“Eat and Drink, spin the legs and you’re going to effin push (today).” A Howe
Brian
“Eat and Drink, spin the legs and you’re going to effin push (today).” A Howe
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [masterslacker]
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I would.
I'm returning to the Marathon des Sables (Morocco) in April. I did it last year and have delusions of cracking the top-50 this time. I am also going to try and raise a significant amount of money for a local charity as well.
The plan then is the North Face Endurance 50 Miler in July (Ontario, Canada). I'm then toying either with Ironman Mont-Tremblant in August or the Ultra-Trail Hurricana 125 KM in September (both in Quebec, Canada).
I'm returning to the Marathon des Sables (Morocco) in April. I did it last year and have delusions of cracking the top-50 this time. I am also going to try and raise a significant amount of money for a local charity as well.
The plan then is the North Face Endurance 50 Miler in July (Ontario, Canada). I'm then toying either with Ironman Mont-Tremblant in August or the Ultra-Trail Hurricana 125 KM in September (both in Quebec, Canada).
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [masterslacker]
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masterslacker wrote:
Anyone interested in starting an Un-official 2017 Ultra running thread? I'm trying to get some motivation for next year's season as I totally took 2016 off completely.You could start one, or we can wait until closer to the new year. I have two ultras planned for next year, so I am in.
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [masterslacker]
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masterslacker wrote:
Anyone interested in starting an Un-official 2017 Ultra running thread? I'm trying to get some motivation for next year's season as I totally took 2016 off completely.
Re: Let's talk ultras. Un-official 2016 ST Ultra Running thread [camtdc]
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camtdc wrote:
JimK wrote:
Heading to Sacramento in the morning to take on the Rio Del Lago 100 Mile Endurance Run this weekend. High of 71 on Saturday with lows Fri and Sat nights in low 50s with just a chance of showers Sat night. A little warm on Sat but I'll take it.How did the race go for you? The weather was outstanding. I was out there as well. It was by far, the toughest event I've every done! This tops the list over 2013 IMLT and the Death Ride by a long shot.