If they are 'blending' the 55+ slots, I'd wonder how it's done to not favor those closer to 55. At this rate with new races being added, it will be AG winners only pretty soon if they don't go to a points system.

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Wow, just tell the older folks to stay home. HUGE difference per year going up from 55!!

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I actually wont ever do another IM event if it comes to this?!
The only reason y I attempt is in hopes of of KQ someday!?
If there is no hope, there are a million other races to go to.

The issue is lack of clarity IE are they considering 55+as one AG? Or several and "pooling spots" Basically no one 60 and over will qualify at that race. Before they make an announcement they should likely qualify that statement.

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Well - I guess it's not yet a given this will be rolled out for all races. Might be only for the races with less than 40 slots.

Do you have a better solution to the ever growing problem of 1 slot for 1 competitor?

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I don't have a solution, and I don't find fault for WTC determining what and how to manage their own series. But as an older competitor, I don't think anyone 60 and up who is interested in a KQ would select this race. The reality is that isn't a very large number to begin with, so WTC isn't worried about the impact on registrations by older athletes staying away. And if they maintain the 1 slot per age group minimum, but only at select races for older age groups, then they are in essence declaring regional qualifiers for those IMs that do provide 1 slot per AG in the 60 and up groups. Perhaps that is where they are heading.

Again, I don't fault them for the decision on how to operate IM Weymouth, but I do find fault for not communicating their intent and new slot strategy to the buying public. This is, after all, a sea change in the longstanding policy of always having 1 slot per AG with a finisher.

if it were to be rolled out it would be the end of the Lew Hollander stories. which would be too bad. it would also be lame if it was announced after registration had opened. and lastly, it won't be durable 'cause we're three to five years from that being the largest AG.

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Aren't they in fact communicating their intent, at least with regard to this particular race? You are making the assumption that this is part of an overall change in policy. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. They are making it clear to anyone interested in registering that at this race, for the purpose of slot allocation, age groups 55 and up will be combined.

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Isn't this generally how IM tests new procedures though? Rolls it out at a race or two and sniff out the reaction? With all the races now (i.e Vineman) and a limited Kona pier (as it's currently configured), they gotta start doing something re slots

But yes it is clearly announced for this race

You might want to change the title to Kona slot distribution or something similar to differentiate this thread of the plethora of other threads debating the number of Kona slots per race.

Nice spot though

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Yes, they have communicated their intent for that race, but without providing any rationale, and to whether it is an isolated case or a new policy. So I'm not making any assumptions. Again, they should have announced their intent and whether this is part of a new strategy. I stand by what I said, nothing more and nothing less.

The new Ironman Weymouth race in 2016 is 30 slots so it might apply wider than thought.

Why is it an issue? If you ever get old enough and can still race, I bet you have a different opinion.

I feel these old folks have earned the same right to compete, no matter how few are in their AG.

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So a 70 year old male that goes 16:30 and is the only one in his ag deserves to go to kona over a 30 year old male that went 9:30 and finished 5th in his ag?

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I don't think you awsered his question.....you just layered on a statement.......with the "you kid get off my lawn"

Yep.

I guess we should not have old folks at Boston either. Again, just wait, if you are lucky, and get old and can still race. You clearly do not understand how most sports
are organized, and who pays some of the Bills.

Taking your attitude, we should have NO Age groups in races, and the fastest 40 get Kona, with no sex bias either.

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That is a fair point, but it's not why these changes are being made. They are being made because of the increase in the number of IMs. 50 slots per race -> overcrowded Kona. Slots per race therefore has to come down and some AGs have to suffer. It's numbers and business, not merit.

Eta: you could do away with AGs completely and just hand out KQ slots to the top 30 non pro finishers. Not sure that. Would play well to the big volume demographic groups though (M35-49).

Why?

Lets just take the top 50, or 40 or 30 fastest, with no sex bias. Otherwise, well, .....

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Wow. I feel like they just put an expiration date on my Ironman racing. That sure is demotivating.
I say any athlete that can still race Ironman over 60 deserves the one slot/age group they get. I think people don't realize how superb an athlete it takes to do that.

I understand the idea to encourage diversity and I think it is great for the sport and society as well. I also like the idea that people are working hard for something and not just given it. I realize just finishing is quite a task but I think having some minimum time standards of some sort along with KQ is important. I don't know you get to those standards but I'm sure some actuary could formulate some

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Absolutely. The statistical odds of even starting an IM let alone finishing in your 70s are far more remote than an an athlete in their 30s finishing in the top 5.

For a guy who's "I'm never doing a IM" you do care a lot about how they do thier business......

Bc I'm old do I get to steal batteries at Walmart without worry too? No, it's thier game they can write the rules.

Just think of all the people standing out there all night long so some old dude can stumble about untill midnight [pink]