I think it would be awesome to also run it in a time trial format if they are going to do it. I know it might not be as exciting but if there was ever a time to do it, this would be the year.

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Precedents be damned, if they were to put it on they could do any format they wish. I'm assuming you're suggesting a time trial format in hopes of eliminating drafting in swimming and biking?

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Don't forget running as well, but yes. We could implement the modified USAT PRO stagger rule as well on the bike. Modification as I don't think if someone is 1/4 of the mile up the road you should stagger but within say 20 meters you must be staggered.

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I’d love it but I don’t think the locals, island and start government will embrace bringing 100 or so competitors from all over the world to a pretty small locality with not much revenue to accompany the risk.

For a local economy that has probably lost some serious dollars to lack of tourism, this could be not only a nice little controlled boost to the economy, it would serve as yet another massive ad that the tourism board could only dream of putting together. It would not be possible without safety protocols in place, but if your big guys/girls came out to the island and purchased 2 week stays at some of the local houses, were purchasing food daily, etc... That money can help a local economy a lot.

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Even if they were to put it on, I highly doubt they would just have an open invitation to any member of the PTO. Daytona is (or was) going to be invite only, with only a certain number of slots allocated to each country or region or something of the like, and presumably starting from rank 1 and working the way down. It would end up being roughly the same people that would have qualified for Kona anyways probably, but for an organization that talks about helping out the entirety of the pro field, they wouldn't exactly be doing anything to distinguish themselves from Ironman at that point.

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And you think the Ironman folks are just going to sit by and let this happen without reminding the local govt why it might not be a good idea to approve the permits? :)

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I truly love the idea and would live watch it for 9 hours but it has the same chance of happening as the Feb date being reinstated.

I think IM gets standard language in their host city agreements prohibiting competing triathlons from taking place in the locale. Pretty certain Kona would be a no-go on that basis.

But Kona’s not the original home of IM. Wasn’t that Honolulu? Go truly old school and bring it back there.

Or for that matter, find some third world hell hole with a military dictatorship and, quarantine be damned, have it there.

Better idea: get the Bahrain prince to stake a million and host it there.

If it remotely viable, WTC would probably do it .

It's not just the 100+ pros, they all tend to bring support staff. Add in media, race logistics, etc. and you are easily looking at 500-1000 people. Really doubt Hawaii would be cool with this.

PTO has a better chance of doing the Collins Cup in the EU, but honestly now that their role as potential leverage in the WTC acquisition is gone I don't see who's going to bankroll them going forward. Dead man walking IMO.

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That's actually not the craziest idea, they seem to have the money to get it done.

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It would be quite different without an age group crowd though, there's no fighting for pier space with just pros. This would be the pretty wild, no qualifiers, just if you're in their ranks then you're invited. I don't know if there are any holdouts who haven't joined the union, but this would also serve as a way to get those folks onboard.

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Hawaii-no, I agree. There should be some outside the box thinking here. Pick a location for which they can implement an NBA-like bubble and host a WC race there. The numbers for triathlon are so small the logistics behind such an undertaking would be “relatively” (compared to NBA, MLS etc) simple.

Isn't this kind of what the x-bionicsphere at challenge samorin was built for?

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Yes, let's make it an even MORE boring sport to watch. Definitely what triathlon needs to succeed. Sponsors will love it too

I got news for you, we aren't ever going to get past the boring part of Ironman. No number of memes, emoji, sounds effects, packages, cut-aways can make it palatable.... It is a brutal spectator sport. My idea, more or less, is just to got back to the roots of triathlon at its core, as the founders intended it. Plus to placate the Lionel support crew ;) And to the other poster, no support staff needed. That is the whole purpose of this exercise... find out who is the best triathlete. Not who can draft in the swim the best, wind dope on the bike, and what ever happens on the run.

On different level triathlon can't be a fair sport and spectator friendly sport until they neutralize the camera crew. I know everyone is gung-ho about triathlon at times, but geez, I would rather watch a fair race than what amounts to essentially a fixed race for a small group of competitors. Although an extreme example, I mean we might as well just have a group of ridiculously tall, speed-boat shaped bodies, with no leg span but giant wing span, double jointed with extreme flexibility who can simply swim more efficiently by themselves, open up a nice gap, grab the unknowingly complacent media crew and defy the law of physics on the bike leaving no chance to anyone. I always suggest if you need refresher on how this works in practical application to go back to the Rio Olympics and watch that race. That second pack got hosed.

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In that case, the PTO is kinda screwed before they start. They're entire premise is to try and increase the interest in watching long course tri, starting with how they formatted the collins cup, which was specifically set up to decrease how much it looks like a time trial. If they cant get viewers, they might as well fold. Secondly, I dont think the roots of triathlon are in non-draft. I wasnt there, but by reading comments from a number of people who were, there was nothing non-draft about them. I'd way rather watch a race trying to determine who is the best racer, not the best at exercising. I think they should go the other way entirely, make an entirely draft legal race. Shred the non-swimmers, watch the carnage of people overcooking the bike and blowing up on the run. Drama from impromptu teams forming and stabbing each other in the back. Would be so much more interesting.

I’m going to bet that Kona, and more specifically the state of Hawaii does not want a bunch of outsiders to come in with the risk of bringing COVID-19 to the local populations. No pros, no Joes (or Jills), no selfish people thinking about their finisher’s medals during a pandemic. But that’s just my guess.

What about a local PTO race format for 2020? I can't speak internationally, but for the US, small races are starting to pop up.

The PTO can use the bones of these races by inserting a pro wave wave with some cash prizes & pay tablot cox media to make a 30 minute video with post race interviews. Sponsor's get exposure, racers race, and the PTO saves the day.

We don't need a 3,000 participant ironman event to get exposure; local races have all the ingredients needed for 2020. For example, here in MN we have the Square Lake 70.3 coming up in early September. I'd bet if there was a $5,000 purse with 100% pro wave payout & someone with a camera; guys like Starky and Hanson would make the trip over.

Yeah, what would NBC fill up 90% of the coverage with? The race? Crazy talk.

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They did. Challenge Daytona 70.3 is a million dollar purse. That is December of this year.

Edit. They could relaunch their marketing campaign using Kona cancelled though.

I guess I'm connecting the two, Challenge and PTO but aren't they essentially the same?

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Ironman has Kona locked down. Its not possible to do any endurance event in Kona in October that is anything near those distances. They have copyright after copy right making it nearly impossible. Hell I got threatened just for making a shirt that said (Kona Swim Bike Run)