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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [Jackets] [ In reply to ]
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I got 9/1 on Lange to win if anyone fancies that? If I get time ill go through the bookies odds later, he was my favourite anyway.

He would have to ride with the front pack and get off with them in T2 together and I don't see that happening. He'll be 5+ mins down when he hits T2. A few years ago he would have run them down, but that won't happen with the likes of Iden and KB.
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [zedzded] [ In reply to ]
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It does seem like the uber runners did rather well yesterday, Sodaro, Haug and Philip (3:02 or under) will the same happen for the men 🤔 and if so is Chartier a dark horse? A good swimmer, could get in to a good pack on the bike because of that and chill, kick on in the run where he does very well in the heat
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [elecious] [ In reply to ]
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It does seem like the uber runners did rather well yesterday, Sodaro, Haug and Philip (3:02 or under) will the same happen for the men 🤔 and if so is Chartier a dark horse? A good swimmer, could get in to a good pack on the bike because of that and chill, kick on in the run where he does very well in the heat

Yeah no mention of Chartier really. I was thinking of him. Plenty of mention of Sanders, Chartier has trained with him and (according to LS) often Sanders has struggled to keep up with him so he's obviously in decent shape. Plus he won Dallas in horrendous conditions. Not enough history/experience, perhaps, to say he might be a podium favourite, but at the very least, a dark horse. I'll go KB, Iden, Chartier.
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [zedzded] [ In reply to ]
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Jackets wrote:
I got 9/1 on Lange to win if anyone fancies that? If I get time ill go through the bookies odds later, he was my favourite anyway.

He would have to ride with the front pack and get off with them in T2 together and I don't see that happening. He'll be 5+ mins down when he hits T2. A few years ago he would have run them down, but that won't happen with the likes of Iden and KB.

Iden and KB are complete unknowns in Kona Lange isn't! At 9/1 it's a great value for money bet.
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [Jackets] [ In reply to ]
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Jackets wrote:
zedzded wrote:
Jackets wrote:
I got 9/1 on Lange to win if anyone fancies that? If I get time ill go through the bookies odds later, he was my favourite anyway.


He would have to ride with the front pack and get off with them in T2 together and I don't see that happening. He'll be 5+ mins down when he hits T2. A few years ago he would have run them down, but that won't happen with the likes of Iden and KB.


Iden and KB are complete unknowns in Kona Lange isn't! At 9/1 it's a great value for money bet.

Worth a bet for sure. But you can't not mention Lange's previous drafting indiscretions when he came 3rd and won. He will most likely have to do the same i.e have a domestique and/or draft his arse off. It will be interesting to see how he rides. Also at least 4 pro women were pinged today, so perhaps the officials are clamping down on drafting?
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [zedzded] [ In reply to ]
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There will be a bunch of weaker swimmers/uber bikers (Wurf/Kienle/Sanders) that will be behind Lange, but will come past him early on the bike. How does he respond?
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [Lacticturkey] [ In reply to ]
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first triathlon was 2017.....first time kona...she won in hokas as well...
Was wearing Asics Metaspeed, it looked like.
Only second full distance (first was her 2nd to Philipp at Hamburg in June).
Nominate relative new long distance women to join next year's @bmcprotri team to join/follow Sodaro and Matthews?
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [Ajax Bay] [ In reply to ]
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Ajax Bay wrote:
Lacticturkey wrote:
first triathlon was 2017.....first time kona...she won in hokas as well...

Was wearing Asics Metaspeed, it looked like.
Only second full distance (first was her 2nd to Philipp at Hamburg in June).
Nominate relative new long distance women to join next year's @bmcprotri team to join/follow Sodaro and Matthews?

And became a mother 18 months ago. Up to this page 5 Sodaro was mentioned once, by you, as one in a duathlon with Haug, Moench and Philipp.
Amazing performance by Sodaro.
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [TriStart] [ In reply to ]
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Even overcame several post partum issues during those 18 months

Youre right, sponsored by hoka on kit, raced in asics

Her coach Dan Plews held the amateur record for Kona
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [Lacticturkey] [ In reply to ]
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Lacticturkey wrote:
first triathlon was 2017.....first time kona...she won in hokas as well...

Hasn't raced in Hoyas since May. Ran Hamburg in Asics. Probably a kit issue with BMC not being able to manufacture updated kits fast enough.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [Ajax Bay] [ In reply to ]
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I think the only way anyone beats the Norwegians is to both outswim and outrun them, or run within a couple minutes. The front pack on the bike needs to be strong and have a couple strong runners in it. I don’t think any of the bike specialists have a chance except Ditlev.
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [TriStart] [ In reply to ]
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TriStart wrote:
Ajax Bay wrote:
Lacticturkey wrote:
first triathlon was 2017.....first time kona...she won in hokas as well...

Was wearing Asics Metaspeed, it looked like.
Only second full distance (first was her 2nd to Philipp at Hamburg in June).
Nominate relative new long distance women to join next year's @bmcprotri team to join/follow Sodaro and Matthews?

And became a mother 18 months ago. Up to this page 5 Sodaro was mentioned once, by you, as one in a duathlon with Haug, Moench and Philipp.
Amazing performance by Sodaro.
I guess one takeaway might be that a sensible athlete is prudent on their first full distance (not Iden or Blummenfelt though) and - the top drawer ones - then has a great second one where they are prepared to push the bike/run balance with more risk, and to run that first 20 miles with less fear. That's what Sodaro just did. Mathews did that at Florida 2020. More or less that's what Haug, Philipp and Ryf did too. I don't know if this reads across to the men, but if it does: Iden ftw.
https://stats.protriathletes.org/rankings/women
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Am I the only one that thinks that the amount of penalties in the female´s race is going to affect the men´s race? I do not think we will see long trains... or we will see the guys quite spread... Some of them will try to go at the front to avoid trouble (Currie, Ditlev and the norwegians come to my mind)...so, we will see more gaps in t2 than expected. This is good for the uberbikers, so apart from Blum, I put my money on Skipper

Spaniard. Sorry for my english for the sensitive ones :P
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [juanillo] [ In reply to ]
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It should affect the men's race! They should now know that the refs are enforcing the rules and maybe they will not be so quick to latch on to someone.
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [juanillo] [ In reply to ]
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I would love for this to happen. I think everybody benefits from the “legal” drafting to some degree but some rely more than others.
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [Jackets] [ In reply to ]
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where did you find lines? I have been looking everywhere.

“The answer is hard work. What are you doing on Christmas Eve? Are you riding your bike? January 1st – are you riding your bike?”- Lance Armstrong
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [ChrisBorgerding] [ In reply to ]
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Skybet are taking bets on it.
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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ericmulk wrote:
WhittleFit wrote:
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So, did anyone pick Sodaro to win???


Dan Plews?


OK, did anyone in this thread pick Sodaro to win???

Nope. Everyone was wrong.

So proud an American won. It's only been what?????? 26 years I think?
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [Lacticturkey] [ In reply to ]
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Asics metaspeed edge
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [Lacticturkey] [ In reply to ]
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I think Plews still holds the record?
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [Lacticturkey] [ In reply to ]
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When she came into the sport from running she did itu and was an usat crp athlete. I got to work with her in Clermont FL for a extended training camp just when she first started. She always had the run for this sport, just struggled with the S and B of itu demands. Which is pretty normal for those athletes. Itu is a meat grinder and when your funded “demands” on you can get intense.

She is reserved but soaks up info like a sponge. Pretty cool to see this success. I think she’s going to be one hell of an ambassador for “motherhood” athletes.

Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
-USAT Level II
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [Rideon77] [ In reply to ]
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Why are you proud an American won?
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [Gearup] [ In reply to ]
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Gearup wrote:
Why are you proud an American won?

Perhaps he's American. You know how Norwegians are happy when a Norwegian wins or Gremans are happy when a German wins.

It's been a long time since an American won and nobody was giving the US a shot in the women's or men's race. Now if Chartier wins tomorrow, it would completely disrupt the recent European dominance.
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [Gearup] [ In reply to ]
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Gearup wrote:
Why are you proud an American won?

Why are you sour an American won?
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Re: Kona - nailed-on favourites [Sub17Project] [ In reply to ]
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I wasnt asking you.
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