SankaCoffee wrote:

thoughts?

jealousy

get more sleep

more sleep? I have never needed much. How much sleep should I be getting for optimal recovery?

You can get away with a lot at 28, but yeah, I think it's a recipe for burnout. If it wasn't why are you asking? And I am not buying the claim you are getting 7 hrs sleep on weekdays. If you get off work at 5:30 pm and workout "3 ish" hours in the evening and go to bed by 9 pm, that leaves only 30 minutes for your commute, to eat, shower, take care of any errands, etc. Even going to bed at 9:30 would only be an hour. Where's your life? And I assume you are single, because you can't maintain a relationship on that schedule either. Are you gunning for a pro card?

My friends brought it up after I missed cinco de mayo partying (I dont drink anyway)
again - if something is going on or I am tired I may take a whole weekend off. Depends.

dinner takes half hour - unthaw the chicken or fish soon as I am out of work and veges. Takes 30 mins to eat and make dinner. Errands are on weekends after I am done..have 1pm - bed time to get what is needed. Might run an errand at lunch at work if I need something.

No pro card gun. Not sure why I do this actually. its fun to me

You said you've been doing this for 2-3 months. So how much were you doing 3 months ago and why the change?

Yes, it's a recipe for burnout. may or may not be physical, but mentally that's not sustainable long term.

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I was coming off foot injury and a terrible work cycle (70 hrs a week for 2 months). Focused on work and letting foot heal

prior to that - i was only doing 13-15 hours a week workout


Well seems I will tone it down then. One thing I have learned is listen to older/wiser athletes aka you peoples

pros aim for 9+ iirc from what I've read (you're training like a pro). You'd probably have greater adaptation only doing 2 hrs in the evening and sleeping an extra hour.

At 28, you should be out dating and having more sex.

Do you plan on not being single anytime soon?

As a guy who spent a lot of time and energy focusing on running performance in my 20s and early 30s, this sounds incredibly horrible even to me.

this training sounded relatively normal to me? A lot yes, but it did not seem that wild compared to some people on this forum? I guess I was wrong?

uhm - depends how my date goes on Wednesday - in which yes I will work out 1 hour after work and not 3ish and miss swimming in the morning because I imagine I won't be going to bed at 9:30 but she knows my routine so yea this is all up in the air- ill tone it down if I have too.

I'll echo what others have said. That is a lot of training hours, and added to a high stress job, it's definitely a recipe for burnout. Some people can handle it, while others can't, and you often don't know which camp you fall into until it happens. Even if I could handle that training load, it sounds like a pretty miserable existence to me, but to each his own. You mentioned that your friends gave you grief about skipping a Cinco de Mayo celebration. I'm surprised you have time for friends with that schedule.

well Ill tone it down - I just enjoy it. I like structure

I hang out with them in the afternoon sat and sun. Ill go out with them sat night and sacrifice some sleep but will nap sunday afternoon and then still go to bed early if they are all too hungover to hang out sunday haha

some run with me after work, girl I know will bike with me while I run then we stop at a coffee shop or something when i'm done, or Ill see them in the gym while lifting. No one will swim with me though haha

you can include people in what are normally considered solitary workouts...it doesn't have to be a total loner sport.

BUT yes, I will listen to the advice here. Shave off some swims and trainer rides and sleep more

FWIW, fellow 28 yo.

I train anywhere from 12-20 hours a week and balanced law school for the past 3 years. It was stupidly difficult and can't imagine adding more training on top of that. But, I need 8 hours of sleep. I can get by on less, but I'm sacrificing gains—both academically and athletically. Also, I question how quality your PM sessions are and how they're structured. Are you hammering out track intervals after work and doing VO2 Max work on the bike for 3 hours? IMO, that's a little overkill. I wrecked after a solid hour and a half of structured work. I couldn't imagine adding an additionally 90 minutes Z2 on the tail end of those sessions.

Never the less, if you're managing this load, I hope you don't show up in Cleveland at AG Nats this year. hah.

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Oh good Im not alone! no - I tend to do the slower lower zones after work. Maybe a hard hour trainer or a hard 10k or something. It all depends how I feel. I train off how i feel. If I am fresh - then Ill destroy my legs and lungs. If i am sore I will back off.

Weekends though - are usually when i destroy myself.

as far as the race - you are good. I probably wont race this year at all.

If you're feeling fine, still looking forward to training and sleeping as much as you need, I think you're totally fine. 9AM-4AM sleep time is totally fine for most people.

I too am jealous of your ability to sleep well from 9AM-4AM as well as your good discpline in keeping up the training without mental burnout! My limiters from being like you are my 7 year old daughter, my age (M40-45), and probably the biggest one is my inability to sleep really well (I've seen sleep specialists, use a CPAP machine already, have a hard time sleeping more than 4 hrs straight.)

oh man! I hope you get that figured out. That sounds like a bummer and a stressful one at that. Any ideas what it could be?
I never slept much as a baby or teenager and I have always had the ability to fall asleep anywhere on command. Doesnt matter where or when or how loud or at what time. If I am tired, i can fall asleep there and really quickly. Been that way since I was little. Only time was when I left for college. Parents had a grandfather clock that would "dong" really loud. When I went to college there wasn't that "dong" even know I swear I never heard it. took a while to get used to the silence

Hopefully that 'sleep deep and well' stays with you as you age up!

I actually slept pretty normally until around age 30. Then very gradually, it got worse. Started waking up more irregularly, and feeling more and more tired. Assumed it was work-related for years, but around age 38 it got so bad one week that I was barely able to function - and this was with putting myself to bed at like 8:30PM (and then waking up a million times until 6AM.)

I ended up getting diagnosed with severe sleep apnea (i'm not at all overweight nor have a fat neck, and I run a 5k in 18:xx, so not the typical apnea person), and the machine has helped a LOT but is far from a cure.

My wife, who also used to sleep like a rock until age 28, now has a lot of sleep problems too that have nothing to do with work or the kid.

I'm still young for sure at M40-45, but I would rate my sleep problems as literally the worst thing about getting older that has happened to me yet, really disruptive. Hope you avoid it!

Did you turn 30 around the time she turned 28?
Could it possibly be an environment factor? living in a big city and moved to a new place with lots of noise or commotion at night or perhaps some type of chemical in the paint of the room you aren't aware of (drastic example but you see where I am going)...

Nope. We moved quite a few times (5+) times from age 27-35. Good sleep environment in all places. I passed the 'good sleep habits' quiz from my sleep doc with flying colors.

So what is the goal here? Are you training for the sake of training, or is this means to an end?

I have gone from 14-18 hrs/wk to 22-27 hrs/wk in a build up to IM event, but I don’t see >20 hrs/wk as sustainable for me (more so mentally than physically).

Have you tried Magnesium Glycinate at bedtime? 1200mg just before bed has really helped with my sleep. And I have a 2 and a 4 year old that keep me up also!