You jumped into an amateur race at the last moment and crossed the line before every non-professional.

I am not questioning TG's abilities. I know that was faster than any ager time. I believe burke was 9:04.

In that case I was responding to someone who seemed to think no ager ever goes faster at the same race than a pro but I admit I may have read it wrong

There is no question that TG and BB are faster than the ager's in wisconsin. I have a great deal of respect for their abilities

I just no longer respect TG's choices or the way he has chosen to conduct himself over the last 24 hours. Including the real starky podcast he gave today

I really started here just trying to give him a different perspective from the ag ranks. Clearly I have failed as he doesn't get what I am saying. It happens

But now that he has "outed" me from my anonymous status I better proceed to scrub my hard drive etc. know any good IT guys...

It's comments like that TG are why you're getting blasted over this. Not helping your cause.

I am not questioning TG's abilities. I know that was faster than any ager time. I believe burke was 9:04.

In that case I was responding to someone who seemed to think no ager ever goes faster at the same race than a pro but I admit I may have read it wrong

There is no question that TG and BB are faster than the ager's in wisconsin. I have a great deal of respect for their abilities

I just no longer respect TG's choices or the way he has chosen to conduct himself over the last 24 hours. Including the real starky podcast he gave today

I really started here just trying to give him a different perspective from the ag ranks. Clearly I have failed as he doesn't get what I am saying. It happens

But now that he has "outed" me from my anonymous status I better proceed to scrub my hard drive etc. know any good IT guys...

X 2! Very ill advised. I hope Base made it right for him, because he severely devalued his small local brand by that act and many of these current postings. It's sad to me, as I like TG, but his ego seems to have won this battle to his detriment. It was a terribly self centered event that really took him a step back.

I don't think any amateurs have gone faster than TG went on the day. Properly motivated, I do think that JB or DS could easily go that fast on IMWI at this point in time.

You would howerver need periodic leader board and some sort of accurate real time timing system.

X 2! Very ill advised. I hope Base made it right for him, because he severely devalued his small local brand by that act and many of these current postings. It's sad to me, as I like TG, but his ego seems to have won this battle to his detriment. It was a terribly self centered event that really took him a step back.

Maybe this was previously posted, but according to madison.com this morning, WTC has officially declared Rudy the winner.

http://host.madison.com/...5e-d7831821b22a.html

I think WTC's intent was to consolidate more Pro talent at a select few races, versus having the Pro talent diluted at many races.

I don't necessarily agree that there was an intent to have only amateurs at the events without a Pro race.

If that was indeed the intent, then TG should have been turned away on Friday.

Maybe this was previously posted, but according to madison.com this morning, WTC has officially declared Rudy the winner.

http://host.madison.com/...5e-d7831821b22a.html

Could you sound any more jealous of TG's Ironman win?....WTC, Rielly, blew this one and did not treat TG as the overall winner he is. They did not follow their OWN rules. I would be embarrassed if I did not have my shit together any better than this.....

If you want to win a race....race!.....and let you results talk. Reading your post you come off as bitter and resentful of TG for winning.

Clearly WTC has an issue they need to address on the Pro vs. AG nature of the races. In my view it will now need to be dealt with much like the finish line crossing with family/friends issue and for many of the same reasons.

I don't think that's "clearly" the issue at all. As illustrated up the thread by Colin, WTC's rules for Pros in events without a Pro purse are quite clear.

Seems to me the issue here is that someone on-site took matters into their own hands on Sunday, and made a call to void two racers' results that was inconsistent with WTC's rules.

I don't think that's "clearly" the issue at all. As illustrated up the thread by Colin, WTC's rules for Pros in events without a Pro purse are quite clear.

Seems to me the issue here is that someone on-site took matters into their own hands on Sunday, and made a call to void two racers' results that was inconsistent with WTC's rules.

the stress levels created are affecting my ability to recover from the race and prepare for my next one

Don't become an AGer then ;-)

I will try to conclude my involvement in this thread on a positive note. The thread is about "removing pros from the race". I want to acknowledge some of the local pros around the race this weekend, who didn't need to be removed:

Blake Becker. I appreciate his input into this thread and his blog post re: the race. His contingent of athletes he coaches seems to grow every year. The signs of his athletes near picnic point was creative.

Jackie Hering(sp?): saw her all over the place this weekend. Most impressed at 7pm Sunday. I was heading home at Mile 23 and she was out past Camp Randall actively and individually inspiring one of her coached athletes. Definitely building her brand.

Paul Eicher and Will Smith working the Norma Tec booth and cheering on Mt. Horeb Hill

And as I mentioned earlier in this thread I saw Thomas Brunold assisting a biker with a mechanical within the first 10 miles of the bike ride. While it may have been close to the "outside assistance" line I don't care. I saw a freaked out participant get much needed help. I would like to believe it was a first timer (I bet it was) who was able to finish the race and has no idea they were helped by one of the best and most consistent AGer's at this race the last decade.

Clearly WTC has an issue they need to address on the Pro vs. AG nature of the races. In my view it will now need to be dealt with much like the finish line crossing with family/friends issue and for many of the same reasons.