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Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes
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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [vancity] [ In reply to ]
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16:45 cutoff for age groupers in 2015. WTC sometimes just doesn't know when to lwave things alone.

And there should be equal Kona slots for female pros at Kona and the 70.3 IMO. Personally I far prefer following the women pros here than the men. Just my two bits worth.


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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [vancity] [ In reply to ]
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rules for usage of social media.

rules for mandatory "volunteering"

these better be paid assignments

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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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So they want all the athletes to stfu and fall in line? 10-4 WTC!

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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [BDoughtie] [ In reply to ]
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I mean, that's the message that's coming across, but I'm sure that's not the message they want us to receive. their communications department is SO cocked up.

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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [BDoughtie] [ In reply to ]
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BDoughtie wrote:
So they want all the athletes to stfu and fall in line? 10-4 WTC!




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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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We are prepared to engage in a vibrant dialog about professional racing with you and your fellow professional athletes, but the dialog cannot take place publicly. = you may file your concerns directly in the circular file folder or send us a written copy and Jordan will do it on your behalf
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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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I really like them trying to help the pros, I just kinda had to shrug at the idea of them censoring what the pros will say on twitter.

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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [vancity] [ In reply to ]
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Best line- "I want to mention the absence of live online coverage for the Subaru IRONMAN 70.3 World Championship -- our lack of a hosted live show was a mistake, one for which I accept responsibility."
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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [vancity] [ In reply to ]
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Not sure why he didn't address it "Dear Minions".
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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [vancity] [ In reply to ]
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So how exactly do they expect their pro athletes to "volunteer"? Most are barely getting by as it is- are they going to pay them for their travel expenses and time (not likely as they are independent contractors). And increasing the separation at Kona by cutting down the time AGs have to finish- that will go over well... And the media blackout- the pros do have friends and those friends will find out what's going on behind the scenes and then make a much bigger deal of things. WTC is just clueless as usual- can we please go back to the days when that eye doctor owned it??
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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [vancity] [ In reply to ]
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So much for not making the discussions public!
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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [vancity] [ In reply to ]
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As such, we are implementing a revised code of conduct for professional athletes that particularly relates to social media. Our revised social media policy is designed to increase the professionalism of our public discourse on matters relating to our sport.

You mean like this?

Also, congrats on putting the 70.3 World Champs on a platform available to 78 million Americans. Wanna know a platform that is available to 268 million Americans? The Internet.

Good luck to all the pro triathletes out there. I feel you're going to need it.
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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [OkotoksLawyer] [ In reply to ]
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Saw lots of stuff on twitter by pros about how shit the coverage of IM70.3 Worlds was. Why are they so scared about people speaking their mind?

Ironman really needs to take some lessons from the ITU on good coverage.
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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [BDoughtie] [ In reply to ]
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Censorship is no good. Part of what I enjoy about triathlon, from the pros at least, is that they say what they want. Aside from a few at the top that are pretty much walking billboards, who I'm convinced pay people to do their social media, triathletes are just average joes on twitter. Censoring them like "major sports" (NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA) is going to make the professional triathlete boring and not worth following.
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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [OkotoksLawyer] [ In reply to ]
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OkotoksLawyer wrote:
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As such, we are implementing a revised code of conduct for professional athletes that particularly relates to social media. Our revised social media policy is designed to increase the professionalism of our public discourse on matters relating to our sport.


You mean like this?

Also, congrats on putting the 70.3 World Champs on a platform available to 78 million Americans. Wanna know a platform that is available to 268 million Americans? The Internet.

Good luck to all the pro triathletes out there. I feel you're going to need it.

Also, in case no one noticed, it actually says WORLD Champs. It may be an American race held in the 51st state of America but, ironically for a World Champs, there are other people around the world interested in watching. Hell, we may even have family and friends racing in it.
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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [fulla] [ In reply to ]
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fulla wrote:
Saw lots of stuff on twitter by pros about how shit the coverage of IM70.3 Worlds was. Why are they so scared about people speaking their mind?

Ironman really needs to take some lessons from the ITU on good coverage.

They've been taking notes from ESPN, evidently. #FreeSimmons

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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [rjrankin83] [ In reply to ]
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Censorship is no good. Part of what I enjoy about triathlon, from the pros at least, is that they say what they want. Aside from a few at the top that are pretty much walking billboards, who I'm convinced pay people to do their social media, triathletes are just average joes on twitter. Censoring them like "major sports" (NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA) is going to make the professional triathlete boring and not worth following.

I don't like censoring and I don't want boring athletes to follow. But let's look at another angle. WTC is the customer of many pro athletes. They provide a service by racing and then they get paid with prize money. It's not that indifferent than an actor in a movie. WTC produces the show. In our professional lives many of us get revenue from customer organizations. At times our customers and their organizations act totally in their self interest and may not seem to treat us like partners in their success. But given that my lifeline is tied to my customer's success and what I can get out of them, there is an unwritten professional code of conduct that goes along the line of not biting the hand that feeds me. I have to find other ways of getting my customer to change business models or behaviors towards me/my team without publicly berating the customer organization and throwing it under the bus. It is not really that tough. A lot of young people in all walks of life figure it out. There are ways to get change done, and it has been done for ages before social media existed where one can trip over themselves firing out grievances in haste over social media. My only guidance to pros is to use a formal channel, and do it directly with real time 2 way communication with Andrew. I can say that he/WTC will listen and collaborate if you work constructively. If they listen to a nobody age grouper like myself off whom they make not that much money other than the entry fees I give them, surely they would be incented to collaborate with star pros whose services they package up and multiply for a ton more revenue.

As for the 16:45 cut off in Kona, I think the integrity of the women's race is more important than the whether some of us age groupers can finish in 17 or 16:45. I think this affects 5-10 older athletes versus the pro women's competition. Perhaps a provision could be made for athletes over 70 to start right after pro women and each of them can have a kayak escort BEHIND them so that it is impossible to swim over them. Then it is win win for all!
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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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What's funny about all of this, I wonder just how real all the drama/media that TRS/twitter created over WTC's prize purse policies, went into all of this.
ETA: Dev, you cant talk out of both sides of your mouth. If you want the pros to go through the proper channels, than be ok with "boring" athletes and essentially censorship. What you say is pretty damn accurate, but by doing as you suggest, yes you saying censorship is the way to go.

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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [vancity] [ In reply to ]
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I thought WTC was just out to destroy Ironman as a pro sport. But with changing the age-group cutoff to 16:45, I realized that they're just dumb.

Roger Godell is the most competent CEO in America when compared with this guy.
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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [BDoughtie] [ In reply to ]
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BDoughtie wrote:
What's funny about all of this, I wonder just how real all the drama/media that TRS/twitter created over WTC's prize purse policies, went into all of this.
ETA: Dev, you cant talk out of both sides of your mouth. If you want the pros to go through the proper channels, than be ok with "boring" athletes and essentially censorship. What you say is pretty damn accurate, but by doing as you suggest, yes you saying censorship is the way to go.

It is censorship only if you are forced to live under a regime (like Soviet government or Chinese government). No one is forcing anyone to do WTC's races, but if you want to play with them, then you have to pick and choose your battles.

For example no one is forcing me to say nice things about my customers, but no one is forcing me to do business with them either. If I don't like how they operate, I can stop taking their money, but if I want to take their money and if I say something publicly they don't like and they ask me to keep that between us, I can chose to comply and keep taking their money, or speak my mind and move on. It is a free and open market. No one is forcing anyone to do business with anyone, but if you don't like the terms of engagements, you can be as vocal as you want and speak publicly and move on, or if you think there is upside in the engagement, you keep working together and the things you don't like you work to influence person to person.

It is only censorship if you have no other choice and are locked in. There are plenty of choices outside WTC...Challenge obviously comes to mind.
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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [Trirunner] [ In reply to ]
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So much for not making the discussions public!

Yeah....I probably would have removed my name from the bottom of that document before posting also.




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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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As for the 16:45 cut off in Kona, I think the integrity of the women's race is more important than the whether some of us age groupers can finish in 17 or 16:45. I think this affects 5-10 older athletes versus the pro women's competition. Perhaps a provision could be made for athletes over 70 to start right after pro women and each of them can have a kayak escort BEHIND them so that it is impossible to swim over them. Then it is win win for all!

How about if WTC just take their race and leave town instead.


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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [Jordan45] [ In reply to ]
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There are already races that have cut offs less than 17 hours (16:30 at Mallorca for instance).
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Re: Ironman CEO: dear professional athletes [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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As for the 16:45 cut off in Kona, I think the integrity of the women's race is more important than the whether some of us age groupers can finish in 17 or 16:45. I think this affects 5-10 older athletes versus the pro women's competition. Perhaps a provision could be made for athletes over 70 to start right after pro women and each of them can have a kayak escort BEHIND them so that it is impossible to swim over them. Then it is win win for all!

This has nothing to do with "the integrity of the women's race." The pro women had a 25-minute start on the age groupers for years, and it never affected the cut-off times. This is a result of splitting the male and female AG starts, which as we've already discussed was done so WTC could stuff more age groupers into the race and make more money. Make it a mass AG start again, and the cut-off could still be 17:00.

As for the rest of that email, it was one of the most tone deaf communications I've ever read.
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