Nice damage control, Frank.

Think about all the free advertisement.

There's one sucker born everyday.

To be honest, this beats Big Brother hands down.

At least Joaquin hasn't contradicted himself several times in a single thread, so I guess he might have some honor left to defend. Speaking of honor, he also doesn't start assinine threads to try to drum up free marketing for a product that, as yet, has not been shown on the other massive threads to be beneficial. Please step away from the shovel - the hole only gets deeper.

Michael (not a douchebag because I am a financial analyst) Williams

Please, that was barely top 5 (the Russian judge ranked it 9th). The Hottie Thread, dude. Note the caps, too.

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I got an idea just go flipping bike. You push down and pull up its really not that hard you don't need a magical crank that will do everything but your laundry.


Grant

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But, the hottie thread is gone. Perhaps a better word would have been the "most" ever, but then we are only talking replies. But two in the top 10 isn't bad from an "interest' point of view. If we are talking views this (and "drills vs PC's") have a long way to go but my viewer won't me me rank them by views. Best is in the mind of the beholder so probalby wasn't the best term.

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let me see if i understand the issues here.

there are people who believe that engaging hip flexors, and perhaps other muscles that aid the recovering leg, is generally accretive to faster cycling overall. those (like joe friel) who ascribe to the idea of a pedal stroke exhibiting a "flatter torque profile" fall into this camp as does, obviously, powercranks and its owner frank day. you can also throw in the people who ascribe to isolated leg training, one-leg drills, and the old (andy will remember this) "spin coach" sold by ralph ray.

then there are those, and i think perhaps ed coyle (u of texas) might be the best known exemplar, who believe that you just stomp down hard on the pedal, not unlike what we used to do as 3-year-olds on our tricycles. these people believe that what you do on the downstroke is what matters almost entirely, and engaging your hip flexors or flattening your torque profile is counterproductive to being a good cyclist.

am i on the right track so far?

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aka Slowman

having been one of Ed's (and many of his PhD candidate's) lab rats..... YES!

irrelevant line spoken vit German accent....

zee quad iz a verrrrry laaaaarge mus-kle.... it produces lots of vatts.... the 'ip flexor iz a verrrrry small mus-kle.... meaning.... it dont do squavt.

:)

HAMMER BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Whatever, I'm right and your all wrong. Nyah! Nyah!

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Take everything I say with a grain of salt. I know nothing.

really? the guy says "mus-kle"?

that's not good.
respected or not, someone should point that out.

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I got an idea just go flipping bike. You push down and pull up its really not that hard you don't need a magical crank that will do everything but your laundry.


Grant[/reply]
... says the guy with the OTHER crank that will do everything but your laundry ;-)

<< really? the guy says "mus-kle"?

that's not good.
respected or not, someone should point that out >>

It could be worse, he could be, say, an 'elected' official in the most powerful office in the world, who pronounces the word nuclear as "nuke-yoo-lur" :-p

There's another guy, a governor I think, who butchers the english language a bit on occasion too.

GET TO DA CHOPPA!!!!!!!!! ;-)



Back on topic, I guess Frank ascribes to the theory that there's no such thing as bad publicity.

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float , hammer , and jog

A classic - I laughed so hard I fired a Lifesaver out of my mouth and it almost went down the defroster vent of the Spousal Unit's truck (have EVDO, will travel).

On a serious note, how many people get Achilles problems from PCs? All that pulling up seems like it could cause issues if the transition is not done with a lot of care. Just curious. -----

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I would say that is a nice assessment of the two camps. Add a little emotion from both sides ("those claims are impossible" "how can you be so obtuse to not see the possibilities") and the fact that neither side has the evidence to prove their case and these threads ensue.

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really? the guy says "mus-kle"?

that's not good.
respected or not, someone should point that out.

Hey, nobody ever gave Popeye any grief about that.

I'm strongs to the finish, cause I eat my spinach.

I'm Popeye the ...

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GET OFF THE F*%KING WALL!!!!!!! (Doug Stern)
Brevity is the soul of wit. (William Shakespeare)

LOL...that's classic coming from you dude!

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I hated every minute of training, but I said, ''Don't quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.''
- Muhammad Ali

Very true but i still just go bike...

Grant

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My name detective John Kimball.

I'M A COP YOU IDIOT!!!!



Cranks calls.... love that stuff.

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let me see if i understand the issues here.

there are people who believe that engaging hip flexors, and perhaps other muscles that aid the recovering leg, is generally accretive to faster cycling overall. those (like joe friel) who ascribe to the idea of a pedal stroke exhibiting a "flatter torque profile" fall into this camp as does, obviously, powercranks and its owner frank day. you can also throw in the people who ascribe to isolated leg training, one-leg drills, and the old (andy will remember this) "spin coach" sold by ralph ray.

then there are those, and i think perhaps ed coyle (u of texas) might be the best known exemplar, who believe that you just stomp down hard on the pedal, not unlike what we used to do as 3-year-olds on our tricycles. these people believe that what you do on the downstroke is what matters almost entirely, and engaging your hip flexors or flattening your torque profile is counterproductive to being a good cyclist.

am i on the right track so far?[/reply]

You are missing one thing - the possible benefit to running. I believe that part. I am not convinced one way or the other re: the cycling benefit.

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Too f@ckin depressed from various injuries to care about having a signature line.

Sponsored by Blue Shield PPO.

"It could be worse, he could be, say, an 'elected' official in the most powerful office in the world, who pronounces the word nuclear as "nuke-yoo-lur" :-p "

That is my pet peeve! I also dislike "jew-ler-ry"

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there are also those who think reject the dichotomy entirely, as it is a artificial entity created in the imaginations of two squabbling camps.

the techniques complement each other.

shock.