ITU Athletes beaten again by current Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's

Sep 1, 18 6:41

Post #1 of 56 (4068 views)

Everyone keeps saying the ITU folks will move up and destroy the long course specialists, but they are still a ways of Ryf and Lucy Charles. Seems like we have had this discssion since the year after the Sydney Olympics and that in the next 2 years after, when the ITU folks move up, they will displace all the athletes focused on Long Course, but that's not been happening on the women's side.

Sarah True was 15 minutes off the back of Ryf and got outrun by Ryf. Haug did outrun Ryf, but barely. Most of the women chasing got outbiked 8-10 minutes by Ryf, other than Lucy Charles who kept up once caught. Generally its a heavier/larger athlete who can Swim-bike hard and get a larger lead at T2 that the fast runners just can't overcome. Some of these larger athletes may not do as well at ITU because of their closing 5K speed and their bike strength is more negated

On the men's side, the picture is more balanced. Some move up and do really well, others move up and they still can't beat some of the guys who jumped directly from age group to Long Course. We have Frodo and Gomez who won 70.3 World's, but even though Frodo won the Olympics most around here kind of chalk that up to a one timer and that generally he was barely top 10 (which is kind of true). He's in the "larger athlete" who can TT category.

The men's race on Sunday should be fun. We won't see these larger deltas like in the women's race so it's going to come down to the 10K run. Hopefully the wind is blowing crazy hard to create splits, but with 2 way pro + age grouper traffic on the out and back, it could be a motorcade draft fest.

Splits from Timothy Carlson's front page article

1. Daniela Ryf (SUI) 4:01:12:12 S 24:24 B 2:15:27 R 1:16:59
2. Lucy Charles (GBR) 4:04:58 S 23:00 B 2:17:11 R 1:20:36
3. Anne Haug (GER) 4:07:21 S 24:27 B 2:23:17 R 1:15:11
4. Pamella Oliveira (BRA) 4:13:44 S 24:25 B 2:23:18 R 1:21:30
5. Radka Vodickova (CZE) 4:13:50 S 24:25 B 2:23:30 R 1:21:40
6. Imogen Simmonds (SUI) 4:14:40 S 24:26 B 2:23:29 R 1:22:34
7. Jeanni Seymour (RSA) 4:14:57 S 24:25 B 2:27:21 R 1:19:09
8. Ellie Salthouse (AUS) 4:15:12 S 25:44 B 2:25:55 R 1:19:24
9. Emma Pallant (GBR) 4:15:53 S 25:56 B 2:25:57 R 1:20:05
10. Sarah True (USA) 4:16:00 S 24:24 B 2:29:12 R 1:17:59

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Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [Anna s] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 6:57

Post #3 of 56 (3977 views)

OK, thanks for that. So does True outbike the rest of the women who were 8-10 min behind Ryf and close on Ryf, or just bikes with everyone else. Pretty sure she would not outbike the rest of the women. Ryf and Charles are in a different league on the bike and they can run quite well too (not ITU level, but really good after how hard they hammer on the bike).

Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 7:10

Post #4 of 56 (3932 views)

Ryf started this sport as an ITU athlete. Is an Olympian....

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Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [Brandes] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 7:20

Post #5 of 56 (3884 views)

Brandes wrote:

Ryf started this sport as an ITU athlete. Is an Olympian....

Sure, that's almost everyone other than few who move over directly from the age grouper side. But she's not regarded for her short course pedigree. Same deal as Frodo other than the Olympic win. Lots of athletes who were less prolific and were quite beatable in their short careers shine differently at long course. Chrissie Wellington also did a few ITU races and was pretty bad (relatively) at those.

I guess what I am getting at is some people assume that the fastest ITU people will move to long course and dominate. But often it is the less prolific ITU athletes (generally slower runners at 10k) or some athletes that moved directly to long course from amateur.

Today's women's race is a solid instance of this.

Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 7:46

Post #6 of 56 (3809 views)

devashish_paul wrote:

Everyone keeps saying the ITU folks will move up and destroy the long course specialists, but they are still a ways of Ryf and Lucy Charles. Seems like we have had this discssion since the year after the Sydney Olympics and that in the next 2 years after, when the ITU folks move up, they will displace all the athletes focused on Long Course, but that's not been happening on the women's side.

Sarah True was 15 minutes off the back of Ryf and got outrun by Ryf. Haug did outrun Ryf, but barely. Most of the women chasing got outbiked 8-10 minutes by Ryf, other than Lucy Charles who kept up once caught. Generally its a heavier/larger athlete who can Swim-bike hard and get a larger lead at T2 that the fast runners just can't overcome. Some of these larger athletes may not do as well at ITU because of their closing 5K speed and their bike strength is more negated

On the men's side, the picture is more balanced. Some move up and do really well, others move up and they still can't beat some of the guys who jumped directly from age group to Long Course. We have Frodo and Gomez who won 70.3 World's, but even though Frodo won the Olympics most around here kind of chalk that up to a one timer and that generally he was barely top 10 (which is kind of true). He's in the "larger athlete" who can TT category.

The men's race on Sunday should be fun. We won't see these larger deltas like in the women's race so it's going to come down to the 10K run. Hopefully the wind is blowing crazy hard to create splits, but with 2 way pro + age grouper traffic on the out and back, it could be a motorcade draft fest.

Splits from Timothy Carlson's front page article

1. Daniela Ryf (SUI) 4:01:12:12 S 24:24 B 2:15:27 R 1:16:59
2. Lucy Charles (GBR) 4:04:58 S 23:00 B 2:17:11 R 1:20:36
3. Anne Haug (GER) 4:07:21 S 24:27 B 2:23:17 R 1:15:11
4. Pamella Oliveira (BRA) 4:13:44 S 24:25 B 2:23:18 R 1:21:30
5. Radka Vodickova (CZE) 4:13:50 S 24:25 B 2:23:30 R 1:21:40
6. Imogen Simmonds (SUI) 4:14:40 S 24:26 B 2:23:29 R 1:22:34
7. Jeanni Seymour (RSA) 4:14:57 S 24:25 B 2:27:21 R 1:19:09
8. Ellie Salthouse (AUS) 4:15:12 S 25:44 B 2:25:55 R 1:19:24
9. Emma Pallant (GBR) 4:15:53 S 25:56 B 2:25:57 R 1:20:05
10. Sarah True (USA) 4:16:00 S 24:24 B 2:29:12 R 1:17:59

Ryf is an ex ITU athlete, so is Frodo = thread FAIL!!

None of the Elite ITU women have moved up and had a proper crack at long course yet.

I think the main reason for this is being Mum's Spirig and Helen Jenkins have both told me this.

You're probably going to get a lot less really good ITU women move up to do long for this reason, by the time they've gone through a couple of Olympic cycles they get pregnant and don't want to put the longer hours in training (or switch to competing in marathons)

Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 8:21

Post #7 of 56 (3713 views)

I'm not sure everybody is saying that ITU athletes will move up and dominate long course, more that Gomez and the Brownlees will. Those 3 were in a class of their own when they were fit and focused on ITU, they had no weaknesses and were always front of the swim, could win it in a breakaway, or win it on the run. With the exception of Gwen, and maybe Vanessa Fernandes for a year or 2 in her prime, there was nobody as dominant in women's ITU. And Gwen isn't as balanced a triathlete, she's an incredible runner but would struggle on the bike in a no draft format.

Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [Jackets] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 8:29

Post #8 of 56 (3692 views)

Actually your points on the women's side are excellent in terms of the timing for them doing the long races and making the switch perhaps coinciding with family so in the women's field, you probably don't see women in their peak at Long Course coming out of ITU. But it's a different body type who do better at long course. The women who run super fast stay short because you have to be really light to run that fast. But that's not the best TTer body, so you kind of see the sport self selecting and athletes moving to the format they are better at (she's injured now, but Holly Lawrence is a great example of someone who was/is way better at longer non draft events)

As I said, neither Ryf nor Frodo (minus Olympics win) were consistently the top of ITU. They are more long course athletes. The victory for ITU fans is when you show us an Emma Snowsill or Vanessa Fernandes or even Gwen taking the win.

I think Spirig would be very dominant at LC though but she's already 36 so we would have never seen her at her long course peak!

Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 8:44

Post #9 of 56 (3646 views)

I think it would be interesting to see if Lucy Charles could move down to ITU to try for the Olympic team.

She's definitely front of the front pack swim.

A very strong cyclist. (Maybe needs to bump up her bike handling for short course.)

It would be her run speed that would have to come up a level or 2.

But I could see her taking off with Flora and Jessica Learmonth and then the 3 of them run for the podium.

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Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [Scotttriguy] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 9:03

Post #10 of 56 (3567 views)

Scotttriguy wrote:

I think it would be interesting to see if Lucy Charles could move down to ITU to try for the Olympic team.

She's definitely front of the front pack swim.

A very strong cyclist. (Maybe needs to bump up her bike handling for short course.)

It would be her run speed that would have to come up a level or 2.

But I could see her taking off with Flora and Jessica Learmonth and then the 3 of them run for the podium.

Jill Savage did the drop down successfully.

Let's try this math exercise. If Lucy ran 1:20 at the close of a half IM, that should be her average open marathon pace....so that has her at 2:40 and plugging that into MacMillan, her open 10K is around 34 minutes (she said she ran 5K 17 min in training, so maybe 35 min for 10K). Add 30-45 seconds and we have her at sub 36 minutes off the bike in an ITU event.

I think the problem is her bike strength will get negated and she'll end up pulling along a lot of faster runners if she dropped down. But if her and Duffy and Learmonth can get and stay away and keep a solid lead, then who knows....still a podium would be a big crap shoot vs a slam dunk at Long Course.

Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [Scotttriguy] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 9:13

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Triathlon is interesting since the sport has dual personality. You have the ITU side of the sport that is organized internationally like all other sports, and then you have a private company running their own thing. Added to that you have the history of triathlon.
For some the sport is all about Kona, just one race in the year.
For others it is about the sport and to see the best competing against each other several times a year.

You can see ITU athletes easily go and race among the best when they are racing 70.3. This almost without any special training.
You will never see a dedicated 70.3/Ironman has anything to offer in an olympic distance or shorter. The ITU athletes are more all round athletes.
Two years ago a unknown Gustav Iden won a 70.3 race with a 1.11 run. Blummenfelt biked 2.01 after getting his tt bike three weeks before in off season.

Guess what Mola would have done.

I understand Ironman as a company owned by private equity is grumpy when some athletes can just show up and eat their cake without selling their soul to the brand.

Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 9:22

Post #12 of 56 (3510 views)

If Lucy wanted to focus on ITU, she could change the whole dynamic of the race. Her swim speed would blow up the front group, and a couple would improve to hang on her feet. For her it should be Duffy at least for her best results. It would look like the old mens races, but with a few less in a successful break to T2.

And you cannot use this 1;20 for anything other than knowing she can run. She ran a sub 17 in workout, so that is sub 35 in "workout"...My guess she could run 34+ just on ironman training, lop off a minute or two for ITU focused running, and just general improvements from such a new athlete.

So if you figure in a minute + off the bike with Flora and one or two more, she likely holds off most if not all the chasers. It would be really fun to watch, but not sure more fun than watching her move to the top of ironman racing!!!

She is just one of those gifted athletes that would excel at any distance or format, she has chosen her path and is closing in on the top echelon...

Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [Halvard] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 9:22

Post #13 of 56 (3503 views)

Halvard wrote:

Triathlon is interesting since the sport has dual personality. You have the ITU side of the sport that is organized internationally like all other sports, and then you have a private company running their own thing. Added to that you have the history of triathlon.
For some the sport is all about Kona, just one race in the year.
For others it is about the sport and to see the best competing against each other several times a year.

You can see ITU athletes easily go and race among the best when they are racing 70.3. This almost without any special training.
You will never see a dedicated 70.3/Ironman has anything to offer in an olympic distance or shorter. The ITU athletes are more all round athletes.
Two years ago a unknown Gustav Iden won a 70.3 race with a 1.11 run. Blummenfelt biked 2.01 after getting his tt bike three weeks before in off season.

Guess what Mola would have done.

I understand Ironman as a company owned by private equity is grumpy when some athletes can just show up and eat their cake without selling their soul to the brand.

Pretty sure Mola would be way off the back on the bike. No doubt he would swim front pack and run fast, but I don't think his run would be enough. The guy only weights 59 kilos. His top line watts would not be high enough to TT just like Nairo Quintana at 58 kilos loses time on TT's too. It's just physics. No matter how small the small riders make themselves, they are pushing the same size wheel through the wind, so that's a bigger tax on their top line watts.

Give us some larger ITU athletes who can run well and watch out at Long course. Your guy Blummenfelt is a perfect example. When that guy decides to step up to IM he will be awesome at 73 kilos.

I don't think Messick cares who wins....he just wants a show

Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 9:25

Post #14 of 56 (3490 views)

you know i love you, dev, but i think you could also use the same facts to write a different headline. how about something like:

"two of the best long course athletes in history barely beat mid-tier ITU pro at Women's 70.3 world's"

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Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [iron_mike] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 9:34

Post #15 of 56 (3460 views)

iron_mike wrote:

you know i love you, dev, but i think you could also use the same facts to write a different headline. how about something like:

"two of the best long course athletes in history barely beat mid-tier ITU pro at Women's 70.3 world's"

I could roll with that (maybe "handily beat" vs "barely beat"). Would love to see Spirig really give it a go. My main reason for starting the thread was some of the pre race banter about ITU women in the field stepping up and what they could do vs the long course specific women. Haug put up an awesome race, but that bike delta was too much. Ryf is around 11 kilos heavier than Haug, so a big advantage on a rolling ride TT.

Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 9:44

Post #16 of 56 (3423 views)

Dev, there is a huge logic or facts gap here. The vast majority of the top ten were ITU. Ryf had plenty of top-10s, Haug had a stretch of being really strong as well. Who are you thinking of besides Lucy Charles?

True was 4th last year and in the mix aside from her flats.

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Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 9:57

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I think basically what happens is every olympic cycle ITU fans say the ITU people will step up and destroy the long course athletes. As some of you point out, the long course athletes, now are largely ex ITU athletes but they are not the ones who were generally winning ITU events. ITU fans point to the superiority of ITU by pointing to second tier ITU athletes dominating long course, but generally the very top tier ITU athletes didn't "yet" dominate long course.

Some of you are saying its because they come over late. This is probably true. I think it's more about body type and strength on the bike which some of them cannot use to full advantage at ITU.

Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 9:59

Post #18 of 56 (3349 views)

You are right. Messick does not care who wins.
That is why ITU racing is live on TV and with many reruns here in the USA while Ironman branded racing is nowhere to be found.
Just now the Olympic channel is rerunning the last women's race.

Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

bluefever

Sep 1, 18 10:01

Post #19 of 56 (3341 views)

My God, the other thread you post how 'ITU supporters' have a chip in their shoulder, and you post this.

Ryf was ITU, Haug was ITU. Two of the top 3. That doesn"t seem thrashed to me. Maybe I'm wrong.

Edit. Pamela Oliveria also, make that 3 from the top four, the thrashing continues.

On the mens side, Frodeno was also ITU, Gomez, Brownlee, Raelert, Macca, Crowie... you can go back years. Many came via ITU.

So what? What's good is we get good racing these days.

Today was ruined by the tech issues with the coverage which is a shame.

Last edited by: bluefever: Sep 1, 18 10:02

Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 10:03

Post #20 of 56 (3333 views)

4 if the top ten are non itu from what I can see. Started as age groupers. Hardly what the thread title suggests.

Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 10:07

Post #21 of 56 (3313 views)

Mola looked pretty solid pulling the pack in Montreal last weekend. Maybe not at ITU Brownlee level yet, but he's not pushover. Just saying.

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Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [bluefever] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 10:21

Post #22 of 56 (3276 views)

bluefever wrote:

My God, the other thread you post how 'ITU supporters' have a chip in their shoulder, and you post this.

Ryf was ITU, Haug was ITU. Two of the top 3. That doesn"t seem thrashed to me. Maybe I'm wrong.

Edit. Pamela Oliveria also, make that 3 from the top four, the thrashing continues.

On the mens side, Frodeno was also ITU, Gomez, Brownlee, Raelert, Macca, Crowie... you can go back years. Many came via ITU.

So what? What's good is we get good racing these days.

Today was ruined by the tech issues with the coverage which is a shame.

It is fair to say most of the long course guys did do ITU at some point....it's almost like saying that everyone in the NFL Played college football. Some college athletes become better in the NFL than they were in college.

It would have been interesting to see how good Ryf would be at ITU, but I don't think she would have ever gotten that good. She would leave T2 with Haug or Gwen or Duffy and always get beaten by them at ITU without the same top end run...at non draft it's the other way around.

I DO have a chip on my shoulder about ITU fans putting down long course athletes (thus the obvious thread title which is clear). Macca, nor Crowie made the Olympic team. It took Macca 10 years after he won ITU world's to win in Kona. I'm a fan of the ITU athetes...just not a big fan of the anti Ironman ITU fans themselves.

All the talk is that "the better athletes are racing ITU"...which kind of implies that at that instant in time of the ITU guys step over they will clean up at long course (even though as you point out the current long course people did race ITU at one point). But the ITU athletes don't generally just move over and win....by the time they are winning, its a subset of the ones who move over and generally the larger ex ITU guys.

Anyway, let me just gloat about Lucy Charles never doing ITU and cleaning up here. It's why the forum loves Lionel Sanders, or Sebi or Chrissie Wellington....they just went from amateur to long course pro. A bunch of us are going to be cheering harder for some of those athletes!!! In fairness Lucy was a national team swimmer. But her bike and run evolved though the way most age group athletes start.

Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 10:27

Post #23 of 56 (3257 views)

You are so deep into your own bullshit to prove a point its ridiculous

Ryf's short course pedigree is pretty darn impressive. But apparently not to your high standards, one Frodeno can't hit. Apparently Gomez (70.3 World Champ and ITU Olympic Silver Medalist) also isnt hitting your high standards.

Ryf's ITU Resume
(Simple ITU search)
7th Olympic Games
u23 World Champion
54 ITU Starts
11 Podiums (top 3s)
4 Wins

3
2010 Lausanne ITU Elite Sprint Triathlon World Championships

1
2010 Dextro Energy Triathlon - ITU World Championship Series Seoul
Elite Women
3
2009 Dextro Energy Triathlon - ITU World Championship Series Hamburg
Elite Women
3
2009 Dextro Energy Triathlon - ITU World Championship Series Washington, DC
Elite Women
3
2009 Mooloolaba ITU Triathlon World Cup
Elite Women
7
2008 Beijing Olympic Games
Elite Women
1
2008 Vancouver BG Triathlon World Championships
U23 Women
3
2008 Madrid BG Triathlon World Cup
Elite Women

devashish_paul wrote:

Brandes wrote:

Ryf started this sport as an ITU athlete. Is an Olympian....

Sure, that's almost everyone other than few who move over directly from the age grouper side. But she's not regarded for her short course pedigree. Same deal as Frodo other than the Olympic win. Lots of athletes who were less prolific and were quite beatable in their short careers shine differently at long course. Chrissie Wellington also did a few ITU races and was pretty bad (relatively) at those.

I guess what I am getting at is some people assume that the fastest ITU people will move to long course and dominate. But often it is the less prolific ITU athletes (generally slower runners at 10k) or some athletes that moved directly to long course from amateur.

Today's women's race is a solid instance of this.

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Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 10:38

Post #24 of 56 (3224 views)

devashish_paul wrote:

Actually your points on the women's side are excellent in terms of the timing for them doing the long races and making the switch perhaps coinciding with family so in the women's field, you probably don't see women in their peak at Long Course coming out of ITU. But it's a different body type who do better at long course. The women who run super fast stay short because you have to be really light to run that fast. But that's not the best TTer body, so you kind of see the sport self selecting and athletes moving to the format they are better at (she's injured now, but Holly Lawrence is a great example of someone who was/is way better at longer non draft events)

As I said, neither Ryf nor Frodo (minus Olympics win) were consistently the top of ITU. They are more long course athletes. The victory for ITU fans is when you show us an Emma Snowsill or Vanessa Fernandes or even Gwen taking the win.

I think Spirig would be very dominant at LC though but she's already 36 so we would have never seen her at her long course peak!

Spirig im convinced would be a force in LC, theres still time for Duffy to move up if she wants it after Tokyo?

Who would bet against her doing well at LC? Again though she might choose to call it a day and start a family?

Re: ITU Athletes: Thrashed by Long Course athletes at Women's 70.3 World's [Brandes] [ In reply to ]

Sep 1, 18 11:00

Post #25 of 56 (1480 views)

Brandes wrote:

You are so deep into your own bullshit to prove a point its ridiculous

Ryf's short course pedigree is pretty darn impressive. But apparently not to your high standards, one Frodeno can't hit. Apparently Gomez (70.3 World Champ and ITU Olympic Silver Medalist) also isnt hitting your high standards.

Ryf's ITU Resume
(Simple ITU search)
7th Olympic Games
u23 World Champion
54 ITU Starts
11 Podiums (top 3s)
4 Wins

3
2010 Lausanne ITU Elite Sprint Triathlon World Championships

1
2010 Dextro Energy Triathlon - ITU World Championship Series Seoul
Elite Women
3
2009 Dextro Energy Triathlon - ITU World Championship Series Hamburg
Elite Women
3
2009 Dextro Energy Triathlon - ITU World Championship Series Washington, DC
Elite Women
3
2009 Mooloolaba ITU Triathlon World Cup
Elite Women
7
2008 Beijing Olympic Games
Elite Women
1
2008 Vancouver BG Triathlon World Championships
U23 Women
3
2008 Madrid BG Triathlon World Cup
Elite Women

devashish_paul wrote:

Brandes wrote:

Ryf started this sport as an ITU athlete. Is an Olympian....

Sure, that's almost everyone other than few who move over directly from the age grouper side. But she's not regarded for her short course pedigree. Same deal as Frodo other than the Olympic win. Lots of athletes who were less prolific and were quite beatable in their short careers shine differently at long course. Chrissie Wellington also did a few ITU races and was pretty bad (relatively) at those.

I guess what I am getting at is some people assume that the fastest ITU people will move to long course and dominate. But often it is the less prolific ITU athletes (generally slower runners at 10k) or some athletes that moved directly to long course from amateur.

Today's women's race is a solid instance of this.

I don't remember Ryf getting on the podium 11 times, were these the World cups maybe?

I can remember her podiuming maybe 3 or 4 times at WTS.

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