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IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets (+Louisville, Chattanooga, Maryland, Arizona, Cozumel)
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People have requested I generate these:

Ironman Wisconsin Psych Sheet (July 5 start list)

Ironman Florida Psych Sheet (August 1 start list)

Ironman Louisville Pysch Sheet (August 9 start list)

Ironman Chattanooga Psych Sheet (July 3 start list)

Ironman Maryland Psych Sheet (July 2 start list)

Ironman Arizona Psych Sheet (April 5 start list)

Ironman Cozumel Psych Sheet (August 2 start list...harder to parse the start list, so there may be some missing data)

I tried to incorporate HIM results into the prediction this time so that more contenders trickle up to the top. The (Kona Qualifier) label is for 2018 qualifiers, so it won't be as relevant for these races that qualify for 2019. I may try to update these later with data from 2018 results and/or updated rankings after more testing and improving on the algorithm.

I generated these for Ironman Santa Rosa and Boulder previously, and here was the background context:

"Ironman races post a participant list, but it is typically just in alphabetical order. It's hard to know how many people are in your age group, how many Kona slots your age group will have, who the competition is, and how you stack up against it. I wrote a program that parses the participant list, calculates expected Kona slot allocations, looks up USAT rankings and best past IM/70.3 results, and tries to rank people by age group. It also shows if people have already qualified for Kona and if they started in Kona a particular year."
Last edited by: triryan: Aug 24, 18 21:17
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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [triryan] [ In reply to ]
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This is great. Thank you so much for doing this. Donation will be coming in later on today.
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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [triryan] [ In reply to ]
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this is awesome, thanks! is it easy to run an updated version or super labor intensive? thanks in advance, I know quite a few people who have registered the past month. Thanks!
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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [triryan] [ In reply to ]
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Really cool! Thanks for putting this together.

% to next slot is if there is a roll down?

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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [triryan] [ In reply to ]
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triryan wrote:
Someone requested I generate these for IM Wisconsin and Florida:

Ironman Wisconsin Psych Sheet

Ironman Florida Psych Sheet

I tried to incorporate HIM results into the prediction this time so that more contenders trickle up to the top. The (Kona Qualifier) label is for 2018 qualifiers, so it won't be as relevant for these races that qualify for 2019. I may try to update these later with data from 2018 results and/or updated rankings after more testing and improving on the algorithm.

I generated these for Ironman Santa Rosa and Boulder previously, and here was the background context:

"Ironman races post a participant list, but it is typically just in alphabetical order. It's hard to know how many people are in your age group, how many Kona slots your age group will have, who the competition is, and how you stack up against it. I wrote a program that parses the participant list, calculates expected Kona slot allocations, looks up USAT rankings and best past IM/70.3 results, and tries to rank people by age group. It also shows if people have already qualified for Kona and if they started in Kona a particular year."

Was wondering if it would be possible to update IMFL with the latest pre registered list? Thanks
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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [triryan] [ In reply to ]
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Very cool. That is amazing. I signed up for IMWI late, is it a huge pain in the ass to update with the new bib list? Definitely will send a donation your way.

Dan

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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [xcchampion11] [ In reply to ]
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Ironman Florida has been updated with the August 1 start list.


xcchampion11 wrote:
triryan wrote:
Someone requested I generate these for IM Wisconsin and Florida:

Ironman Wisconsin Psych Sheet

Ironman Florida Psych Sheet

I tried to incorporate HIM results into the prediction this time so that more contenders trickle up to the top. The (Kona Qualifier) label is for 2018 qualifiers, so it won't be as relevant for these races that qualify for 2019. I may try to update these later with data from 2018 results and/or updated rankings after more testing and improving on the algorithm.

I generated these for Ironman Santa Rosa and Boulder previously, and here was the background context:

"Ironman races post a participant list, but it is typically just in alphabetical order. It's hard to know how many people are in your age group, how many Kona slots your age group will have, who the competition is, and how you stack up against it. I wrote a program that parses the participant list, calculates expected Kona slot allocations, looks up USAT rankings and best past IM/70.3 results, and tries to rank people by age group. It also shows if people have already qualified for Kona and if they started in Kona a particular year."


Was wondering if it would be possible to update IMFL with the latest pre registered list? Thanks
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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [yoe400800] [ In reply to ]
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I can do an update, but the latest start list posted is still from July 5, so there isn't any new data to process.


yoe400800 wrote:
Very cool. That is amazing. I signed up for IMWI late, is it a huge pain in the ass to update with the new bib list? Definitely will send a donation your way.

Dan
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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [triryan] [ In reply to ]
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triryan wrote:
Someone requested I generate these for IM Wisconsin and Florida:

Ironman Wisconsin Psych Sheet

Ironman Florida Psych Sheet

I tried to incorporate HIM results into the prediction this time so that more contenders trickle up to the top. The (Kona Qualifier) label is for 2018 qualifiers, so it won't be as relevant for these races that qualify for 2019. I may try to update these later with data from 2018 results and/or updated rankings after more testing and improving on the algorithm.

I generated these for Ironman Santa Rosa and Boulder previously, and here was the background context:

"Ironman races post a participant list, but it is typically just in alphabetical order. It's hard to know how many people are in your age group, how many Kona slots your age group will have, who the competition is, and how you stack up against it. I wrote a program that parses the participant list, calculates expected Kona slot allocations, looks up USAT rankings and best past IM/70.3 results, and tries to rank people by age group. It also shows if people have already qualified for Kona and if they started in Kona a particular year."

I am sure there is a massive amount of time put into these! That said, any specific reason you chose these two races instead of others or are you working on others like IMCHOO and IMLOU as well? Just curious.
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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [triryan] [ In reply to ]
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triryan wrote:
I can do an update, but the latest start list posted is still from July 5, so there isn't any new data to process.


yoe400800 wrote:
Very cool. That is amazing. I signed up for IMWI late, is it a huge pain in the ass to update with the new bib list? Definitely will send a donation your way.

Dan

You parse it from a pdf? Those are usually very tricky! I wrote some code to get the results from ironmans. Swim, bike, run, T1 and T2 times for each athlete. Done just for pretty much all ironmans of the last 5 years (but would work for 70.3's as well), but Vichy last year for a long time the results were only posted as a pdf and I didn't get it to work.
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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [triryan] [ In reply to ]
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Any update to Wisc start list....yes I sent my pay pal money! I used to do this would take days! 5 bucks you can have this every race I do for this list! Thanks.

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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [triryan] [ In reply to ]
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This stuff is so awesome man, thank you. I'll happily donate for an IM Chatt sheet too!
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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [triryan] [ In reply to ]
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Ryan - this is awesome. I sent you a donation. Thank you.

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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [triryan] [ In reply to ]
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triryan wrote:
I can do an update, but the latest start list posted is still from July 5, so there isn't any new data to process.

Are you sure?

Toothengineer (brendan loehr) is on the participant list for July 5th but isn't in your spreadsheet. There's a few others I can name as well.

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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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There was at least 1 duplicate on the IM Florida one as well. (same name with same results displayed 3 times in a row). For example. M45-49, David Roth #93, #94, and #95. I guess that means there are "<=487" in age group instead of "489".

My name is on the list, which is great! I'm in the mid-140s on the list. I'm a mid-pack finisher (12 hour).
What does the list / ranking mean?
How is it sorted?
What does column B (USAT Score) mean? Etc.
Other than seeing my name and some of my past results displayed, is this psych sheet mostly a ranking for those who plan to be Kona bound as they eye their competition?... and for determining # of Kona slots in the given age groups.
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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [MrRabbit] [ In reply to ]
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Same - I'd love to have this for Chattanooga. A couple of girls I coach are racing and potentially in the mix for Kona slots.


MrRabbit wrote:
This stuff is so awesome man, thank you. I'll happily donate for an IM Chatt sheet too!
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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [MrRabbit] [ In reply to ]
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MrRabbit wrote:
This stuff is so awesome man, thank you. I'll happily donate for an IM Chatt sheet too!

AMEN!
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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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Yea, I misread when I had last updated...it was from the May 1 start list. So, it's updated now with the July 5 start list.


stevej wrote:
triryan wrote:
I can do an update, but the latest start list posted is still from July 5, so there isn't any new data to process.


Are you sure?

Toothengineer (brendan loehr) is on the participant list for July 5th but isn't in your spreadsheet. There's a few others I can name as well.
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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [Asker] [ In reply to ]
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David Roth showed up 3 times in the start list pdf Ironman published, so that's why it is duplicated. I just manually fixed it.

It is roughly sorted by previous finish position within age group at Ironman or Half Ironman events with more weight given to recent performances. The times are informational...hard to use them given course differences and shortened segments. The USAT score is the USAT Ranking number...and asterisk means the score is from less than 3 USAT results (3 results are needed for an official ranking).

I originally did this to see who the competition was for Kona slot...so the algorithm probably does good at putting likely contenders at the top of the list. I haven't created something to compare the prediction to the results to see how it fares further down the list.


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There was at least 1 duplicate on the IM Florida one as well. (same name with same results displayed 3 times in a row). For example. M45-49, David Roth #93, #94, and #95. I guess that means there are "<=487" in age group instead of "489".

My name is on the list, which is great! I'm in the mid-140s on the list. I'm a mid-pack finisher (12 hour).
What does the list / ranking mean?
How is it sorted?
What does column B (USAT Score) mean? Etc.
Other than seeing my name and some of my past results displayed, is this psych sheet mostly a ranking for those who plan to be Kona bound as they eye their competition?... and for determining # of Kona slots in the given age groups.
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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [triryan] [ In reply to ]
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Weird, I was on the list but now I diapered in the Men's 30-34 for IMWI.... Andrew Lashlee
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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [DashLash] [ In reply to ]
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you're on the 35-39 tab, weird

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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [Asker] [ In reply to ]
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Asker wrote:
There was at least 1 duplicate on the IM Florida one as well. (same name with same results displayed 3 times in a row). For example. M45-49, David Roth #93, #94, and #95. I guess that means there are "<=487" in age group instead of "489".


My name is on the list, which is great! I'm in the mid-140s on the list. I'm a mid-pack finisher (12 hour).
What does the list / ranking mean?
How is it sorted?
What does column B (USAT Score) mean? Etc.
Other than seeing my name and some of my past results displayed, is this psych sheet mostly a ranking for those who plan to be Kona bound as they eye their competition?... and for determining # of Kona slots in the given age groups.


https://www.teamusa.org/usa-triathlon/rankings/rankings-criteria
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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [Cptnemo] [ In reply to ]
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I updated the original post with psych sheets for the requested additional races...some are from start lists a month ago:

Ironman Wisconsin Psych Sheet (July 5 start list)


Ironman Florida Psych Sheet (August 1 start list)


Ironman Louisville Pysch Sheet (August 9 start list)


Ironman Chattanooga Psych Sheet (July 3 start list)


Ironman Maryland Psych Sheet (July 2 start list)
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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [triryan] [ In reply to ]
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This is pretty cool. The rankings on the AG tabs? Is that supposed to represent the "performance" rankings within that AG? So, I'm 45-49, and ranked 7th on list. Is that supposed to roughly estimate a 7th place finish in that AG? Just curious what that means, if anything. Thanks for doing this!
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Re: IM Wisconsin and IM Florida Psych Sheets [drluke12] [ In reply to ]
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Yea, it's an estimated finish order based on past performances at IM and HIM events. It's meant to be directional in nature since it can be hard to compare across years and courses.


drluke12 wrote:
This is pretty cool. The rankings on the AG tabs? Is that supposed to represent the "performance" rankings within that AG? So, I'm 45-49, and ranked 7th on list. Is that supposed to roughly estimate a 7th place finish in that AG? Just curious what that means, if anything. Thanks for doing this!
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