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Coach cox seems to think it was a slower year but didn't go so far as saying slowest ever. Some AGs were faster, most were slower.

https://www.coachcox.co.uk/

People who know more will comment on the pro piece but I highly doubt pro DNFs has anything to do with course difficulty. I also don't think that pro run times matter much either, I think they run as hard as they feel they need to.

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The only stat that really jumps out to me, is the run DNF %, as compared to all other years.
Typically in the 3-6% range (give or take), jumped to over 10% this year.
That's pretty significant.

The DNS/Swim DNF % rate seems to have spiked higher starting in 2015.

I don't believe it was particularly hotter on the run course than in some other warm years.
Dunno why the run DNF rate would spike like that?

Heard that the headwinds on the bike coming back from Wilmington were pretty rough, but that's been the case at LP for every time I've ever been there, to some degree.

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It was the worst year for wind and heat since I've been coming up here, and that includes the scorcher that was 2015. Sun came out blazing at about the same time the wind kicked up. Pretty much the whole second loop was into the wind.

I was one of the DNFs -- I felt great till mile 92 of the bike and then something went horribly, terribly wrong. A friend of mine was volunteer captain in T2, saw me puking into a trash bucket, and pulled me over to medical. Blood labs were a little more troubling than I'd care to admit and I've got follow-up to do with a few specialists.

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This was my 3rd straight year here. Not really sure what happened but it was total carnage like I have never seen in an Ironman before.

The day started off cool with a tail wind for the first 30ish miles. The headwinds were tough. On the second lap that was the one of the strongest winds I have had in a race.

For me it never really felt hot, but we have also had some tough days in the last two weeks in the north east and I think that gave people a false hope on the run.

My day ended with hamstring cramps. Never had cramping issue before but it was pretty terrible.

I was at the pointy end until mile 19 and everyone up there was in bad shape run/walking.

Scott

Dang sorry to hear that, hope everything checks out ok.

My wife and I were just talking about the high number of DNFs. I had never done this race before (or a full IM, this was my first) so I can’t comment if previous years. However, being from Florida I’ve seen some serious wind pick up with storms moving in and with the storm off in the distance that wind was wicked on the second loop of the bike. I was riding 28mph at like 148W with the wind at my back going to Jay...then boom I was at like 12 mph coming back south, flat, on Haselton.

As for the run, I’ve done my training in Florida heat and humidity and expected nice cool temps in upstate NY for the race and....it was hot and humid. Didn’t effect me too much but going out River Road I was thinking, “dang it’s hot!”

TriRating had it at 35% of a Kona field strength wise, which I believe is pretty good. //

I'm not sure what that is even supposed to mean, but any way you try and splice it, not even close to a Kona field, not even 10%, age group or pro..


And pros dnf'ing is a pretty normal thing, even in perfect conditions. It goes with there particular type of racing, different from the agers..

First, congrats on your finish.


Looking at those results, what jumps out is, "can you guess which year Ironman introduced Mont-Tremblant?" OK, it was 2014, but back then everyone needed to register a full year in advance. I'm not really sure you can compare the DNF results to what LP used to be - it was such a stacked event that did not have as many 'bucket list' starters .

With that thought, looking at the data - seems 2012 was the 'toughest' year. It was damn hot that year.

I have friends, fast and slow, who are metronomes on that course - year over year. Looking at their times, I'd suggest this year was not much different - the bike a little slower compared to two years ago - Murphy's Law had a great break-down on the slight differences in bike course time - and I'd agree about 5 mins per lap is accurate. Everyone I know that raced (including an age group winner), took the second loop on the bike a little easier because of the winds/conditions - none of them ended up blowing up their runs. I'd suggest that others may have over-biked and paid the price on the second loop of the run.

I'd strongly suggest - if a benchmark is what you seek. Race LP next year.

The time of year is the same - you can refer to last year's plan and make adjustments as needed. If you don't have a coach, consider one. Given your plan from last year and your future goals for next year - any coach can greatly assist you.

Part of the lore of LP is that it is one of the more challenging courses. You've done it once - you know the hills, you know your nutrition and pacing from this year.

Work on all of those variables this next year - keep the venue a constant. This will be a great benchmark and you'll then be able to transport what you have learned to other events in the future.

Can you elaborate on not giving it the training it deserves...?? Just keen to hear what other people have been doing leading into my first IM soon!

Tri Rating gives out a score for pro field against Kona start list for every seeded race.

Example:
Tallinn is listed as -
The strength of the field is 11% of a typical Kona field.

https://www.trirating.com/...19-aug-3rd-seedings/

There were a number of Kona qualifiers that finished, and DNF, Lake Placid this year. Not sure how they calculate it...but that’s what they had it listed as.

I will do a whole hell of a lot more biking, more running, and try to swim at least once a week going forward. But it’s all about the bike.

My totals for 2019 according to strava are:

Swimming: 8 hours

Biking: 98 hours

Running: 60 hours

I ended up going 1:06 on the swim, 6:11 on the bike, and 3:45 on the run with about 13 mins in transition for a total time of 11:15, 25th in my age group and 149th OA.

I started Triathlon at the end of 2017 and previously came from a hockey background. Started to jog because I got fat middle of 2015, taught myself to swim as an adult.

You went 1:06 on EIGHT HOURS TOTAL SWIMMING as an Adult Onset Swimmer ???!!!

I f’n hate you. 😉

PS - decent bike and really solid run, especially based on that training.

What were you complaining about again??
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Thanks for that, nice to have something to compare to. I am still 4 months out so yet to start the really long stuff but YTDs at the moment:
Swim: 70 hours
Bike: 124
Run: 46 (injured for 3 months!)

Nice swim. For you 'it's all about the bike' because that's the low hanging fruit-for you


But for almost ANYONE else, and pretty much everyone, it's all about the run. Not to say that most people can't improve the most time-wise by cycling better/faster/more efficiently, as it is the longest discipline. But to have a good triathlon race, you have to bike well and then run well. If you bike well and run like crap, it doesn't matter at all with your race time magnifying the error.



Just sayin' the truth... and I remember IMLP in 2012, as I was there and it was hot. You had to adjust your pace to the race day conditions, which I did. Super cool seeing what the pros can do-Potts crushed it on all of the disciplines and I learned that the M part of IM is a huge challenge -not like an open 'M'. (I did return in 2016 to avenge my 49th AG finish in 2012 to improve to 11 AG in 2016.)

I also remember reading the runtri.com Ray Britt stuff to think that was an unusual DNF rate that year.

for 2016 jan1>july 30
S=42hrs
B=171 hrs
R-132 hrs

Race day
S-1:19
B-5:47
R-4:32 (crash!)
11:51:xx
M55

Hopefully you have a coach, a real good plan or both...

What was the temperature at say 2 pm?

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Agreed! I spoke with Matt today, and he told me he actually had no idea either what his bike split was, nor how it compared to the course record. He was just running his own race, and was so in the zone that he didn't even notice his family at one of the points on the bike course where they camped out to cheer him on. He was extremely gracious to tell me that he was proud to have TriRig as part of his journey.

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The first year of Mont-Tremblant was 2012.

I did Lake Placid in 2006 and went 9:57 for 36th overall. This year 36th was 10:06. Back in 2006 we had crappy rain on the bike and a sunny run and a little under 2200 participants and it was the North American pro men's championship so no female pros but a strong pro mens field. This year there were 2900 participants. Given that there are way more races in North America now compared to back then when you had to be on site to sign up a year in advance (which might lead to better preparation), I would expect that the field strength was deeper 13 years ago so a 9-10 minute difference in placement times might be expected. All of the extra bodies on the course could account for increased DNFs as well. I can't remember for sure what the winning time was in 2006 but seems to me it was around 8:29.

I raced on Sunday and it was definitely a tough day out there. I agree with the person who commented that the first lap of the bike was with a tailwind and cool and then it seemed like out of nowhere the temperature increased a lot and the headwinds came.

The swim for us was non-wetsuit so maybe some of the age groupers overheated a bit during the swim? 74 degree water with a wetsuit is borderline too warm.

Personally, I made some rookie mistakes on the bike that I paid the price for on the run, but that’s Ironman! Once my body began to say no, finishing was the only goal I had and I’m glad I did.

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I've never done a full but did the LP 70.3 last year. It is the hardest half I've done to date and I bonked on the run. Run/walked in order to finish. I believe it is one of the toughest courses in the Northeast. I can't imagine doing that course twice:) And the 70.3 is in much cooler conditions. The bike can be pretty tough after a cold swim, but I'll take that over summer heat any day. For my race, I trained more than I ever have, and thought I had it in the bag heading out on the run. The tri gods had something else in mind for me, however.

The good news is you are walking away somewhat dissatisfied and with a new goal, to do better. That's my goal - I'll be back to LP to conquer that beast. This is one of the things I enjoy about triathlon the most - it keeps you coming back.

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