Answering my own question (sort of) - they just implied on the broadcast that it would be three for men and one for the women.

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Slot info can be found here.

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Your link didnt work for me

http://ap.ironman.com/triathlon/organizations/pro-membership/event-registration.aspx#axzz5XFMTVsB7


But the answer is one for the men and one for the women

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No, the answer is one for the men, one for the women, and two more to be distributed based on field size. Which appear to both be going to the men

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Where does it say that on Ironman.com

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Its on the link you posted, under the column "allocate". That indicates there are two slots to allocate based on relative field size of men vs women.

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They were apparently allocating 2 more spots at Cozumel to men according to the broadcast this morning...was at the chute today and don't remember Mike saying to the third guy he qualified.

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haha I never scrolled past the blank bit.

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Strikes me as a worse system than the previous model.

Basically Angela neith goes 44 seconds behind doesn’t get a spot and Rana gets one.

Certainly favours the 2nd and 3rd tier male pros.

And before anyone gets on the “amount” of female vs male pros racing, please understand that cannon fodder does not represent competition density within the top 3.

Maurice

Fwiw, I calculated 36 slots for the men/women each this year plus another 14 allocation. If the men and women got half those slots that puts it at 43 + the slots for the winner the previous 5 years and the 2 slots for the podium winners of the previous year. Makes it about 50/50 if the ladies step up and race. I know one argument about why less women go pro was fear of not being able to return to Kona. Hopefully this encourages more ladies to step up and race pro.

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I would state that the idea to allocate 2 extra slots to men at Cozumel was asinine. Cozumel and IMAZ had pretty deep women fields compared to a lot of races out there.

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Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.

Totally agree,

And when we are talking “deep” fields. Basically we are talking about competition density within the top 3 male and female pros. (In regards to distribution of KQ slots)

It’s a joke,

Maurice

In theory now we can have equal men and women at Kona for pros but based on yesterday's field, i think the extra slots will be going to the pro men? I think men outnumbered women 2-1 in Arizona, not sure about Cozumel. Yes, hopefully we will see more pro women show up at races

Wouldn't it be so much better if there were just 10 male and 10 female Kona qualifying races held at separate events. Ironman could have five of the races with 5 Kona slots and five with three Kona slots for a total of 40 female and 40 male Kona qualifying slots. In addition, there would be a maximum of 8 validating slots for men and for women. The validating slots would be the winners of Kona for the previous five years, the previous year's Kona podium and the winner of the previous year's Ironman 70.3 World Championships. I suggest validating athletes would have to finish in the top 10 at a race with five slots or top 5 at race with 3 slots. This would give a maximum of 48 men and 48 women in Kona resolving most of the issues with the old KPR system and the new slot system. This system would resolve the ridiculous current state of qualifying for Kona.

25 men: 13 Women...almost 2:1, but 10 of those men got chicked by the top 3 women finishers. Only three women finished behind the last male pro...so strength of the pool was a bit stronger than the men's race by far.

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I agree that the slot distribution is firstly not very transparent? What ratio is needed before we can it allocated 1 each for each gender? Secondly as you rightly pointed out, how deep the field is doesn't just means who many show up at the swim start

Not to mention that women in general have many more barriers first to become athletes and then to become pro athletes. The top two women there represent all the women in the world who can do triathlon, not just the top two out of who shows up to race pro. I fundamentally disagree about this old guys club setting the agenda for guys based on male biased thinking.

No, there were only 1 slot for Men and 1 slot for Women in Cozumel, there was NOT "floating" slots in Cozumel.

IMAZ had 2 floating slots as mentioned elsewhere and those both went to the men.

I believe the system should be "hybrid" as in slots and then also the same points as previously. Then at the end of qualification period, anyone that did not receive a slot based on allocation is ranked, and 5-10 slots are given out based on those rankings. This could even be true for someone that say qualifies in November, but then is injured come the last qualification date, that slot would roll into the points category. Just my 2 cents on the topic.

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It’s so out there in left field that I will give WTC the benefit of the doubt and say *maybe* this is an “error” “oversight” etc...

Hopefully they are capable of re-thinking this and walking it back today.

ETA: per BW’s post maybe only 2 outright spots at COZ.

2c

Maurice

So Carrie Lester went 8:44 and didn't get a slot?

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Certainly looks that way, TJ gets it at 8:09, CL at only 34 minutes behind (8:44) is forced to race again.

Maurice

What barriers would that be?

It seems like this system, like the old system, encourages pros to pick races with weaker fields. One of the problems with pro long course triathlon is that there is very little head to head racing. Everybody shows for Kona, but at least 1/3 of the top guys skip the 70.3 Worlds each year. How much other good head to head racing is there? You usually get two of the top Germans squaring off at IM Frankfurt. Oceanside typically has Jan and Lionel. Is there a non-Kona race where even five of the top ten guys will show?

Compare this to golf, tennis and other individual sports where there are major events where everybody posts.

I'm not quite sure if the comparison to golf or tennis is valid. Doing an IM takes a toll on the body and most pros can only really have two great IM's in a given year, with the goal of one of those being at Kona. Golf or tennis is not as taxing on the body and an athlete can enter and compete in far more matches/tournaments.

However, I do agree that there will definitely be some pros that cherry pick races based on the field of athletes to try securing a KQ under the new system.

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