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How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you?
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So as I've upped my mileage I have started seeing a massage therapist 2-3 times a month. They have told me I am a mess of a body, of course after the massage I feel great for a while. I have been to a Chiropractor once or twice a year but never understood how important it was. When I went they would just do a few things to me and similar to stretching or Yoga, it just didn't feel like it helped. Now I know it does help so my question is how important is it for you to see a Chiropractor? With these three sports we do we have got to be constantly throwing our alignment off, is it worth going if you will just be throwing the alignment off the next day in the pool/ bike session? Would you go to a Chiro 1-2 times a month and once to the massage therapist if that's all you could afford or is the massage more valuable? I know every time I have been to the Chiropractor he says I need to make the visits more consistent. Thoughts?

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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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Alignment is off? WTF? No, I won't EVER go to a chiro. I like my spine where it is, thanks. An f-ing scam.

flame away.
Last edited by: Tom_hampton: Jun 13, 18 13:32
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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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Great question!

I see a massage therapist once a week. She does advise that I go to a Chiropractor, like you, I do not really feel that instant gratification from a Chiropractor as I do from a massage. The one issue for me in seeing a Chiropractor is that I have to have all my training in before I see him as he says no workouts for the rest of the day. I typically have two workouts and the days I do not, my Chiropractor is closed or work is too busy for me to get away. It should be higher on my list but it isn't. I do agree with your Chiropractor in that if you do go, you should go regularly to see the reap the benefit. I am sure we have a few Chiropractors active on ST that would chime in as to why we should make it a higher priority.

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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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My pelvis has a tendency to get all out of alignment and I have a good chiro that I go to when that happens. I can instantly tell the difference when I leave the office - everything just feels more normal. Lots of chiros out there, not all of them are good! Like you, I'm also a big believer in massage. And I'm finally starting to get better about foam rolling. Ah, the joys of the aging process!
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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [Tom_hampton] [ In reply to ]
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Tom_hampton wrote:
Alignment is off? WTF? No, I won't EVER go to a chiro. I like my spine where it is, thanks. An f-ing scam.

flame away.


This. Chiro is one big scam. There is no scientific evidence for anything. I cant understand how there is a Dr. of chiropractic in the US.
Maybe you like being massaged. Of course he is telling you this, he wants to gain you as a customer.
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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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No chiro for me. Again, it's the same critique as mentioned above - most of the practices that chiros use are NOT scientifically proven, and in fact, they often take great pride in promoting 'self-made' therapies or adjustments that they claim is based on all their years of experience and study, but which in fact would fall flat on its face the moment it was subjected to any rigorous scientific review comparable to that which a medical doctor or rehab specialist would be required to comply with.

To be fair though, there are tons of things in the world, and specifically, triathlon, that utterly fail the 'scientific proof' test. All the various sneaker types and matching with the type of foot (like motion control for overpronators) being the most prevalent yet most widely accepted form of pseudoscience that literally has zero scientific evidence behind it. I would argue that chiros actually have a LOT more legit science behind them (at least their anatomy and basic physiology studies are based upon the real stuff) compared to those sneaker match theories.
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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [DesertTriGuy] [ In reply to ]
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As Chiropactic adjustments last about 5 minutes does ‘go regularly’ mean all the time?

Chiros are quacks
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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [Tom_hampton] [ In reply to ]
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Tom_hampton wrote:
Alignment is off? WTF? No, I won't EVER go to a chiro. I like my spine where it is, thanks. An f-ing scam.

flame away.

Right you are. In high school I woke up with a wry neck, and couldn't turn my head. This was about 2 days before a big race. Coach referred me to his chiro who said it was because one leg was longer than the other and I'd have to come in twice a week to fix it.

A week later the injury was forgotten, but that advice isn't. Chrio is a hard pass for me.
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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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When the chiropractor told me he could cure my cold (a virus) by manipulating my spine, I knew he was a quack. Never will I go again.
Or how about the 12 plan. Just keep coming in every week or so.
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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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It's up there on my list, and not just for my back but general well being. The last time I got sick was 2 years ago, and that was a norovirus that raged through our whole house so nothing was going to stop that bug. I travel weekly for work and feel that it helps my body keep the nasties at bay. And I've had a single achilles injury in 3 years of 6x/week training.

I've also experienced crushing back pains on and off through the years, and where MDs just want to drug me up, my chiro actually fixes the problem in a couple of visits. I've also walked into his office literally holding a box of Kleenex because I'm so stuffed up I can't breathe, and walked out breathing free and clear. The naysayers have their opinions, but it works for me, that's all I can say.
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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [Tom_hampton] [ In reply to ]
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Tom_hampton wrote:
Alignment is off? WTF? No, I won't EVER go to a chiro. I like my spine where it is, thanks. An f-ing scam.

flame away.

No flaming needed.
I think like any "alternative" therapy they have there potential place (albeit incredibly small) and remember most treatments in life have a 30% placebo effect.
Where are they on my list? Nowhere....would never have them on my list.
Won't use any stronger words, others have already stated opinions in line with my thoughts....!!
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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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I would suggest you get xrays if your spine and have it looked at by a medical profession.

If there is trouble a physical therapist should be able to give you exercises you can do on your own.

Then 6 months later go back and have X-rays again to see if you are making progress

Personally my skull sits quite a bit far forward and has caused a good deal of damage to the vertebrae in ny neck. Even though I don’t feel pain.

It may be from so many hours in the aero position.

I will be getting X-rays in another few months to see if the exercises I am doing has helped.
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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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Had a nasty pain in my calf that prevented me from running. After lots of rest the injury would reoccur whenever I started running, no matter how slowly. Went to the doctor, who sent me to physical therapy. After 6 weeks of physical therapy I immediately re-injured it.

Went to a chiropractor who's a sports specialist. He'll actually be doing his first triathlon at the same tri which will be my first triathlon. He decided the injury was due to tightness of the muscles, going up to the lower back, and he did his little leg-bending voodoo and some weird stapler kind of contraption and I've now been running for a few months without re-injury.

I think the major lesson I've learned here is the importance of seeing someone who knows sports and athletic injuries. I was skeptical of going to a chiro and thought they were quacks as well, but my guy knows exactly what I'm talking about when I tell him of the various pains from running and swimming.

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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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In general I put massage a lot further up on the list. Some Chiros do some soft tissue work like Asytm, Graston, and Gua Sha which I am a huge fan of. They can often be open-minded about stuff too but you have to find the right one. The idea of Chiro is that it is another tool in the toolbox but the goal isn't to plan on using them all the time. If the doctor is just putting something back into place that isn't fixing the problem. It is a band-aid. The goal should be to figure out why it is falling out of place and prevent that from happening thru fixing imbalances, movements, strength whatever.


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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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I agree with others as to a true waste of time and money except in very limited cases. I did have one solve a long standing issue with Graston technique, but that is more a form of massage than the usual chiro stuff. When I did go he always did the sneaky neck crack thing that bugged the hell out of me! Felt like cracking him...... Save your money, but do the massage as that is huge! I think if a medical doc or another professional said to stop by every couple of weeks, we would raise holy hell. Never buy into something that does not promise an end.
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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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I go every 3 weeks, and feel that it helps with overall maintenance... if something starts to feel a little off (sometimes I'll sleep weird and my back/neck will feel it) an adjustment usually solves the issue. Full disclosure: I get cheap/free chiro treatment. There was about a 9 month period where I had terrible chronic back pain that pain meds wouldn't touch, before I started seeing the chiro -- knock on wood, I've been pain free for several years now.

I also try to see a massage therapist every 6 weeks or so during the tri season, for maintenance.

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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
Some Chiros do some soft tissue work like Asytm, Graston, and Gua Sha which I am a huge fan of. They can often be open-minded about stuff too but you have to find the right one. The idea of Chiro is that it is another tool in the toolbox but the goal isn't to plan on using them all the time. If the doctor is just putting something back into place that isn't fixing the problem. It is a band-aid. The goal should be to figure out why it is falling out of place and prevent that from happening thru fixing imbalances, movements, strength whatever.
I feel the same. I had two that helped me quite a bit, but really it wasn't their chiropractic adjustments that helped, but that they looked at my whole body and advised some other thing that helped - and provided some soft tissue work to deal with an acute problem.

When one of them told me I'd need to see him over and over pretty much forever, I was like "Sure....." and out the door for that.


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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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It’s not on my list, it’s the biggest scam ever and junk science. Check out Joe Rogans podcast on the history of the practice.
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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [Boulder_Brat] [ In reply to ]
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Never been and never will. If it’s a chronic issue I would advise finding a good PT or Physio to determine why you keep having the issue. Figuring out the underlying biomechanics would help them determine which treatment and/or modifications would help you in the long run.

Chiropractors were not too highly regarded during my time in therapy school and remain frowned upon by most other allied health professionals.
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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [bentus] [ In reply to ]
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bentus wrote:
Tom_hampton wrote:
Alignment is off? WTF? No, I won't EVER go to a chiro. I like my spine where it is, thanks. An f-ing scam.

flame away.



There is no scientific evidence for anything.

Your statement is false.

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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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Very high !!!!!!

I have to see the chiro before massage or else my insurance won’t cover it.

He mostly does stretching stuff with me. I like the cracking though.

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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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Importance is somewhere between witch doctor and astrologist.
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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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I traded chiro in after I found a good massage therapist. Chiro did usual cracking and Graston or dry needling. He had massage therapist on staff but really not that effective. After about 4 tries found really good one I see twice a month and bad back and trigger points have been minimized.
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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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Man, some of your guys are harsh. Not sure if it was just a bad experience or some other long held opinion. I have found chrio to be of some help with very specific things. I agree that for most of us, there really is no maintenance schedule, that is just keeping the office busy. But for some back and neck stuff they have absolutely helped me and my wife, and even a shoulder thing I had.

I injured my shoulder lifting something way to heavy, heard a pop, and suffered for 6 months with agonizing pain. Then one day had it popped back in(didn't know it was out) and it was like night and day. Did that to my knee in the old days too, searched out every remedy, but being out of alignment with the other bones was the problem. Popped it back in, and recovery began immediately.

As to all the other claims, yes I believe most are exaggerated, or even bogus. But like all doctors, there are good ones and bad ones, the guys that are athletes themselves are probably your best bet. Or at the very least used to seeing a lot of athletes.

And yes, massage is way more important as a weekly/monthly priority. In fact, most good chrios will tell you this and have one on staff to insure adjustments hold...
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Re: How high on the list of importance in the chiropractor for you? [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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SpeedOfCourse wrote:
I know every time I have been to the Chiropractor he says I need to make the visits more consistent. Thoughts?
This is how you know it's a scam. Go see a sports physiotherapist and they will help you figure out what the underlying problem is, and prescribe you exercises to strengthen and balance your muscles. So you can stop seeing them as soon as possible.

Less is more.
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