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Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds
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Edging incumbent champion Holly Lawrence, the Purplepatch Fitness Seat Too High award goes to Reinaldo Colucci:



The Michi Weiss Cabling Rats Nest Award goes to Javier Gomez:




The Brent McMahon Worst Pro Male fit award goes to Pieter Heermeryick (Honorable Mention: Brent McMahon):



The Cody Beals Too Much Reach Award goes to Maurice Clavel:




The Ventum One Maximal Drag Front Fairing Award goes to Tyler Butterfield:



The Jan Frodeno Elbow Width 2 Zero Award goes to Sebastian Kienle (hat tip for proprietary aero fingerlock):



The Sebastian Kienle Top Tube Safe Award goes to Daniela Ryf:



The Suzy Favor Hamilton "Saving Myself for Zurich" Award goes to Holly Lawrence:



What did I miss? Who else can we praise and scorn?
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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I almost started this thread yesterday but I don't like stealing thunder. Heermeryick's position is what caught my eye when I looked at the pictures. Yikes.

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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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I think Clavel's position is a factor of him being on the long, gradual downhill. I actually did the same thing (scoot butt backwards and assume a mild superman position) but didn't pedal too much.

I am really not sure how Butterfield's prostate is still intact given his saddle choices and riding positions.
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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Tyler's bike looks like it's three sizes small.

Javier's wiring doesn't look nearly as bad as anticipated. Seems like we've come pretty far if that's the only worthy rat's nest.

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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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jkhayc wrote:
I think Clavel's position is a factor of him being on the long, gradual downhill.

Nah, I don't think so (here and here)

But I don't know how much of a problem that stretched out position is, if you can maintain it.
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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"Pieter Heermeryick"

this is the conundrum. this is where the universe speeds up when math says it should be slowing down. he rode too fast for somebody in that position. which is also, of course, the case with butterfield and mcmahon.

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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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Yup, I am totally wrong. Looks uncomfortable.
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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This thread is awesome. Well done.

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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Slowman wrote:
he rode too fast for somebody in that position. which is also, of course, the case with butterfield and mcmahon.


Well, let's see their power files if you think they rode too fast for someone in that position.

In what world can the same aerobic engine that cranks out a 2:13 debut marathon and a 1:11 closing run can that same engine only produce a 2:25 bike split? In this world:



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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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I remember getting passed by him (Flynn) on Sunday and thinking "how the hell." At that point (mile 35ish), he looked more upright than in that photo, but he was still just behind Ryan Guiliano. His position was less aero than some of the 70+ y.o. guys riding on the hoods of their road bikes that I saw early in the bike.
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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Wow, that's almost* criminal
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [mdm81] [ In reply to ]
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mdm81 wrote:
I remember getting passed by him (Flynn) on Sunday and thinking "how the hell." At that point (mile 35ish), he looked more upright than in that photo, but he was still just behind Ryan Guiliano. His position was less aero than some of the 70+ y.o. guys riding on the hoods of their road bikes that I saw early in the bike.

Yeah, I tried to show the picture in which he looked most aero out of all these. Guy would surely be just as fast or faster on a road bike.
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [WaySub4] [ In reply to ]
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WaySub4 wrote:
Wow, that's almost* criminal

what do you know about running, anyway? that guy ran a 2:13 marathon. you ever run any running equivalent faster than that? otherwise shaddup.

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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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If you're having a Kona Slowtwitch party we can talk about running all you want?! I won't critique your running form if you don't critique my bike fit.
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [WaySub4] [ In reply to ]
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i'll have you know that i ran the mile in 4:19 when i was a junior in high school, and if i'd run it only 30 seconds faster it would be faster than you ever ran the mile in your whole life.

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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jkhayc wrote:
I think Clavel's position is a factor of him being on the long, gradual downhill. I actually did the same thing (scoot butt backwards and assume a mild superman position) but didn't pedal too much.

I am really not sure how Butterfield's prostate is still intact given his saddle choices and riding positions.

LOL. Literally caused me to spit out my tea.
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [WaySub4] [ In reply to ]
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oh, and yes we're having a party. the thread will be up this week. wednesday starting 3:30. we can swap old running stories, like about the time i won the pan american games in the 1500m run. oh, wait. that was you.

Dan Empfield
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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This is aero-shaming. And it's not OK.

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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [jens] [ In reply to ]
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jens wrote:

This is aero-shaming. And it's not OK.

We shame because we care.


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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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kileyay wrote:
Slowman wrote:
he rode too fast for somebody in that position. which is also, of course, the case with butterfield and mcmahon.


Well, let's see their power files if you think they rode too fast for someone in that position.

In what world can the same aerobic engine that cranks out a 2:13 debut marathon and a 1:11 closing run can that same engine only produce a 2:25 bike split? In this world:



sad part is he doesnt even know about power yet....
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [Murphy'sLaw] [ In reply to ]
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Murphy'sLaw wrote:
jens wrote:

This is aero-shaming. And it's not OK.


We shame because we care.

This will be my new sig line.
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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I just realized that's the third cockpit Javier has been on in this year (other two: Specialized and Enve). Good for him for fiddling.
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [WaySub4] [ In reply to ]
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You going to be in Kona?

You AND the boss racing?


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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Just me 'racing' (more like trying to enjoy a long day of working out and having some fun with the family for a couple of weeks in Hawaii; it's a quick turnaround from Coeur D'Alene). See you there Steve!
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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Good sock game, whoever that is! :)


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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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I live in Beaverton and I am willing to illegally enter a garage and adjust this bike to fit it's owner. For free. I'd probably even install a TriRig brake. I don't think I am kidding.
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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Cody Beals should get the "Spends too much time looking at pictures on tt legends.org" award.

Butterfield gets the "Spirit Airline trashed my bike and this is the best I could do with at 1am in the hotel room with a multi-tool and crap from Home Depot" award.
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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Can't remember who exactly, but noticed one of the leading pack FPros had about 6 large gels taped to her top tube... Could have been Pallant (think it was a BMC) but too lazy to look for pics.
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [SAvan] [ In reply to ]
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I couldn't really take pics of the lower numbers, but there were some pretty poor setups in the higher ones for sure.




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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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Oh The Shame of it!
That first bike looks horrendous. Risers and stem spacers for days (pads higher than seat!), rat's nest cables, 17 gels and frame-mounted bottles....
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [WaySub4] [ In reply to ]
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WaySub4 wrote:
Wow, that's almost* criminal

I see what you did there. 10/10

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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [hadukla] [ In reply to ]
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hadukla wrote:
WaySub4 wrote:
Wow, that's almost* criminal


I see what you did there. 10/10

Guy sure runs like he stole it though
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [SAvan] [ In reply to ]
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SAvan wrote:
Oh The Shame of it!
That first bike looks horrendous. Risers and stem spacers for days (pads higher than seat!), rat's nest cables, 17 gels and frame-mounted bottles....

Also, pad reach looks to be close to zero.
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
SAvan wrote:
Oh The Shame of it!
That first bike looks horrendous. Risers and stem spacers for days (pads higher than seat!), rat's nest cables, 17 gels and frame-mounted bottles....


Also, pad reach looks to be close to zero.

The position of her pads doesn't even matter when she's never in aero. There are 37 pictures of her on the bike at World's, and she's not in aero for a single one of them. What is so wrong with a road bike for these people?
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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kileyay wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
SAvan wrote:
Oh The Shame of it!
That first bike looks horrendous. Risers and stem spacers for days (pads higher than seat!), rat's nest cables, 17 gels and frame-mounted bottles....


Also, pad reach looks to be close to zero.

The position of her pads doesn't even matter when she's never in aero. There are 37 pictures of her on the bike at World's, and she's not in aero for a single one of them. What is so wrong with a road bike for these people?

How would anybody ever know she's a triathlete if she didn't have a tri bike?
/end pink.


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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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jkhayc wrote:
I couldn't really take pics of the lower numbers, but there were some pretty poor setups in the higher ones for sure.



this is amazing
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [Murphy'sLaw] [ In reply to ]
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wow, that really is never. Maybe a 25 cassette and had to super-grind it out everywhere?
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [Murphy'sLaw] [ In reply to ]
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are you guys seriously picking on some random age grouper because they don't meet your standard of what they are supposed to do? really?

It's one thing to talk in general terms, but to talk about specific people whom you don't (presumably) know is quite another.

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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [SAvan] [ In reply to ]
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I was completely confused by that picture. I thought they were bars from another bike in the background or foreground or something, I couldn't figure out where those bars were coming from and where the bars were for THE bike----Just didn't make sense to my brain. Now I know why.
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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kileyay wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
SAvan wrote:
Oh The Shame of it!
That first bike looks horrendous. Risers and stem spacers for days (pads higher than seat!), rat's nest cables, 17 gels and frame-mounted bottles....


Also, pad reach looks to be close to zero.


The position of her pads doesn't even matter when she's never in aero. There are 37 pictures of her on the bike at World's, and she's not in aero for a single one of them. What is so wrong with a road bike for these people?

I wanted to see this gal on the bike as well. There's only a couple on her instagram where she's actually in the aero bars, but the photos are mostly from the front. Funny enough she's on a road bike a lot, and in one of those photos she has what looks to be clip on aero bars and is way more aero than she can get on this monster.
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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JasoninHalifax wrote:
are you guys seriously picking on some random age grouper because they don't meet your standard of what they are supposed to do? really?

It's one thing to talk in general terms, but to talk about specific people whom you don't (presumably) know is quite another.

She's a "pro"
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [Sean H] [ In reply to ]
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Sean H wrote:
JasoninHalifax wrote:
are you guys seriously picking on some random age grouper because they don't meet your standard of what they are supposed to do? really?

It's one thing to talk in general terms, but to talk about specific people whom you don't (presumably) know is quite another.


She's a "pro"

never mind then. carry on...

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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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JasoninHalifax wrote:
are you guys seriously picking on some random age grouper because they don't meet your standard of what they are supposed to do? really?

It's one thing to talk in general terms, but to talk about specific people whom you don't (presumably) know is quite another.

To be really helpful, they should set up some kind of check station at the race with a big sign that says, "AERO POLICE", and under that, "Don't get nabbed!" And blow a whistle loudly when they see a non-ST compliant position come by. With some sort of special way to signal if it's a pro who's broken the law.

-Eric
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [Sean H] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.ironman.com/triathlon/coverage/athlete-tracker.aspx?y=2017&rd=20170909&race=worldchampionship70.3&bidid=46&detail=1


Sarah Lester - Female Pro


Sean H wrote:
jkhayc wrote:
I couldn't really take pics of the lower numbers, but there were some pretty poor setups in the higher ones for sure.






this is amazing

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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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She is a female professional.
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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kileyay wrote:
Edging incumbent champion Holly Lawrence, the Purplepatch Fitness Seat Too High award goes to Reinaldo Colucci:



The Michi Weiss Cabling Rats Nest Award goes to Javier Gomez:




The Brent McMahon Worst Pro Male fit award goes to Pieter Heermeryick (Honorable Mention: Brent McMahon):



The Cody Beals Too Much Reach Award goes to Maurice Clavel:




The Ventum One Maximal Drag Front Fairing Award goes to Tyler Butterfield:



The Jan Frodeno Elbow Width 2 Zero Award goes to Sebastian Kienle (hat tip for proprietary aero fingerlock):



The Sebastian Kienle Top Tube Safe Award goes to Daniela Ryf:



The Suzy Favor Hamilton "Saving Myself for Zurich" Award goes to Holly Lawrence:



What did I miss? Who else can we praise and scorn?[/quote

Sarah Lester is going for the number 1 position threatening Michi Weiss

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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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To be fair to Ms Lester, neither Ryf nor Pallant are in aero in any of their photos either. Cameras were obviously only stationed on steep climbs.
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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [SAvan] [ In reply to ]
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Nah there are some of Ryf at least, if you go right to the bottom of the page she's in aero. I will agree with you that it looks like there are a lot of photos from climbs though

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Re: Honorary Awards / Cheers and Jeers: Pro Fits and Bike Setups at 70.3 Worlds [SAvan] [ In reply to ]
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not true, there are plenty of athletes in aerobars. but if the only station not on a climb didn't catch you it will look like you did the entire race upright.
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