Help Position fit feel free to criticize

Nov 13, 18 4:54

Post #1 of 55 (3459 views)

Hi.
Please, you could criticize the position.
The position is not for a TT.
It's for Triathlon.
All help will be very welcome.
Last changes lower and forward the front 1cm
Lower the seat 1cm
I would like to have a better position for my next career, I have 4 months to adapt it.
I do not want to look like a pro either, I would like to arrive at a position that you who saw many could be a coefficient, between aero and efficiency.

In my country I do not have to go to see the position.
Thank you

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [warlockuy] [ In reply to ]

Nov 13, 18 5:49

Post #2 of 55 (3406 views)

Saddle is way too high. Need to drop the saddle 10-15 mm, move the saddle forward 5-10 mm, and drop the cockpit about 1 cm more than you drop the saddle.

Your bike might be a bit too big.

That said, if this is a DIY fit job, you’ve done better than most.

Trent Nix
Owned and operated Tri Shop
F.I.S.T. Advanced Certified Fitter | Retul Master Certified Fitter (back when those were things)

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [trentnix] [ In reply to ]

Nov 13, 18 5:57

Post #3 of 55 (3399 views)

trentnix wrote:

Saddle is way too high. Need to drop the saddle 10-15 mm, move the saddle forward 5-10 mm, and drop the cockpit about 1 cm more than you drop the saddle.

Your bike might be a bit too big.

That said, if this is a DIY fit job, you’ve done better than most.

Hello
Thank you
The bike is size S
My height 1,75 cm
Think that next frame change is an xs?
Today I will put the changes you propose.
And I'll do a video again.
To confirm why me English is not good
The changes would be
15 mm lower the seat
10 mm forward the seat
1 cm lower the front

It is right ?
Does the distance to the bars change when the front falls?
If so, how much do you recommend moving and where
Very very Thank you
Rafael

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [warlockuy] [ In reply to ]

Nov 13, 18 6:00

Post #4 of 55 (3392 views)

I'd start with 10 mm lower (seat), 10 mm forward (seat), and 15 or 20 mm lower (cockpit).

Trent Nix
Owned and operated Tri Shop
F.I.S.T. Advanced Certified Fitter | Retul Master Certified Fitter (back when those were things)

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [trentnix] [ In reply to ]

Nov 13, 18 6:02

Post #5 of 55 (3387 views)

trentnix wrote:

I'd start with 10 mm lower (seat), 10 mm forward (seat), and 15 or 20 mm lower (cockpit).

Today when returning from the pool
I make these changes, tomorrow I post a new video.
Thank you very much from Uruguay

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [trentnix] [ In reply to ]

Nov 13, 18 6:26

Post #6 of 55 (3363 views)

trentnix wrote:

Your bike might be a bit too big.

that bike fits him perfectly

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Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]

Nov 13, 18 6:28

Post #7 of 55 (3357 views)

ericMPro wrote:

trentnix wrote:

Your bike might be a bit too big.

that bike fits him perfectly

I couldn't see in the video clear enough to determine whether he's going to have the opportunity to drop the cockpit enough to get him where I would like him to be. You may be right.

Trent Nix
Owned and operated Tri Shop
F.I.S.T. Advanced Certified Fitter | Retul Master Certified Fitter (back when those were things)

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [trentnix] [ In reply to ]

Nov 13, 18 8:10

Post #8 of 55 (3292 views)

trentnix wrote:

ericMPro wrote:

trentnix wrote:

Your bike might be a bit too big.

that bike fits him perfectly

I couldn't see in the video clear enough to determine whether he's going to have the opportunity to drop the cockpit enough to get him where I would like him to be. You may be right.

Hi
At the moment I have 20 mm high the front.
I think the lowest I can go is 15mm
tomorrow I'll post a video with these changes.
So we see what you think

Very very thanks

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [trentnix] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 5:45

Post #9 of 55 (3129 views)

trentnix wrote:

ericMPro wrote:

trentnix wrote:

Your bike might be a bit too big.

that bike fits him perfectly

I couldn't see in the video clear enough to determine whether he's going to have the opportunity to drop the cockpit enough to get him where I would like him to be. You may be right.

Hi
New video

change

10mm lower seat
10mm forward the seat
14mm lower front
this last one achieves lowering 10mm of stack and removing the angle of 15º that measures 3 - 4mm

I think it could go down 4 5 mm more if I work on the stack in the turner.

Very very thanks
Rafael
Rafael

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [warlockuy] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 5:53

Post #10 of 55 (3105 views)

Looks better! How does it feel?

Try bringing the saddle just a bit further forward - maybe 5 mm or so.

Trent Nix
Owned and operated Tri Shop
F.I.S.T. Advanced Certified Fitter | Retul Master Certified Fitter (back when those were things)

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [trentnix] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 6:07

Post #11 of 55 (3082 views)

trentnix wrote:

Looks better! How does it feel?

Try bringing the saddle just a bit further forward - maybe 5 mm or so.

Hello
It feels comfortable.
On Saturday I have 160k of bike.
Sure I will feel the changes a bit.
It is a quiet workout in w.

At night I will advance 5mm the seat.
Height do not change it?

I have the bad habit of feeling whenever I go under
But I know it's a bad habit of mine.

On Sunday 4 I was in 70.3 Buenos Aires.
The bike circuit very blocked, many times I made a foot on the ground to be able to bend.
It was not bad result on the bike, counting that I have many power drops to 0,
37.8 km / h of average speed with 228w and normalized 235w.
It was not what I wanted but good was what allowed me to do the circuit.

Now I have 20 weeks to prepare 70.3 Punta del Este.
I have time to adapt to the position.
So if you see any other change, we do it there is time to work on that.

I really appreciate your help and attention.
In my country there is no one to ask.
Those that do not know much about triathlon.

very very thanks
and sorry my english
Rafael

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [warlockuy] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 6:09

Post #12 of 55 (3077 views)

Your English is fine. Don't be self-conscious about it.

Yes, 5 mm forward and don't change the seat height.

Do that and let us know how it feels after you ride a bit.

Trent Nix
Owned and operated Tri Shop
F.I.S.T. Advanced Certified Fitter | Retul Master Certified Fitter (back when those were things)

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [trentnix] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 6:21

Post #13 of 55 (3049 views)

trentnix wrote:

Your English is fine. Don't be self-conscious about it.

Yes, 5 mm forward and don't change the seat height.

Do that and let us know how it feels after you ride a bit.

Very very thanks
These days I only have an indoor bike, that the sensations are not the same as on the street.
On Saturday I will tell you how it was.
today I make the change of the seat forward.

On Saturday I let him know how it was.
thank you from uruguay
Rafael

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [warlockuy] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 6:22

Post #14 of 55 (3044 views)

i would bring the aerobars back about 15mm. and, you SHOULD want to look like a pro. basically, it's pros that don't want to look like YOU. and i don't mean you, as in, just, YOU, but all the age group racers out there. it isn't the pros who're riding uncomfortable positions, it's the AGers.

i think you're already as low or lower than most of these pros. however, i think you're a little more stretched out than they are. some combination of moving the bars back and the saddle forward will place you in a position that i think is more sustainable over a long bike ride.

other than that, i think your position is quite good.

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [Slowman] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 6:42

Post #15 of 55 (3011 views)

Slowman wrote:

i would bring the aerobars back about 15mm. and, you SHOULD want to look like a pro. basically, it's pros that don't want to look like YOU. and i don't mean you, as in, just, YOU, but all the age group racers out there. it isn't the pros who're riding uncomfortable positions, it's the AGers.

i think you're already as low or lower than most of these pros. however, i think you're a little more stretched out than they are. some combination of moving the bars back and the saddle forward will place you in a position that i think is more sustainable over a long bike ride.

other than that, i think your position is quite good.

First of all, I appreciate that you see my post.
Really grateful

I do not want to look like pro, I would like to get to an appropriate position.
I can maintain or lose maximum 10-15% of my ftp, which is currently 332 w in 2x 20 minute test.
The big problem that I do not have in my country who can help me in person.
The ones I went to, they want to position me as a TT cyclist, they put the seat very far back, eye feels strong when I go back, but pressed forward.
If I had someone who could test me, it would be the best.
But I do not have that.
My coach has achieved a lot of good things and I improved a lot on the bike, and in the race I achieved my best time of 10k and 21k better time than when I was just a runner, but in the position he says he does not know much.
And it is very good that he tells me this, he creates confidence that what he does not know does not get involved.

You who thinks of the position?

In Buenos Aires with the previous position my bike time was 2:24 90k, I do not think it is very necessary to reduce this time a lot for an age group.

I dream of classifying nice at 70.3 from Punta del Este.
It is always good to dream;)

please if you do not mind telling, what do you think of the position I will be very grateful.
all help is very welcome.
I want to be able to go down to run and not be very exploited :) jejeje

sorry my english
Rafael

Last edited by: warlockuy: Nov 14, 18 6:45

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [warlockuy] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 6:52

Post #16 of 55 (2997 views)

warlockuy wrote:

Slowman wrote:

i would bring the aerobars back about 15mm. and, you SHOULD want to look like a pro. basically, it's pros that don't want to look like YOU. and i don't mean you, as in, just, YOU, but all the age group racers out there. it isn't the pros who're riding uncomfortable positions, it's the AGers.

i think you're already as low or lower than most of these pros. however, i think you're a little more stretched out than they are. some combination of moving the bars back and the saddle forward will place you in a position that i think is more sustainable over a long bike ride.

other than that, i think your position is quite good.

First of all, I appreciate that you see my post.
Really grateful

I do not want to look like pro, I would like to get to an appropriate position.
I can maintain or lose maximum 10-15% of my ftp, which is currently 332 w in 2x 20 minute test.
The big problem that I do not have in my country who can help me in person.
The ones I went to, they want to position me as a TT cyclist, they put the seat very far back, eye feels strong when I go back, but pressed forward.
If I had someone who could test me, it would be the best.
But I do not have that.
My coach has achieved a lot of good things and I improved a lot on the bike, and in the race I achieved my best time of 10k and 21k better time than when I was just a runner, but in the position he says he does not know much.
And it is very good that he tells me this, he creates confidence that what he does not know does not get involved.

You who thinks of the position?

In Buenos Aires with the previous position my bike time was 2:24 90k, I do not think it is very necessary to reduce this time a lot for an age group.

I dream of classifying nice at 70.3 from Punta del Este.
It is always good to dream;)

please if you do not mind telling, what do you think of the position I will be very grateful.
all help is very welcome.
I want to be able to go down to run and not be very exploited :) jejeje

sorry my english
Rafael

can you bring the entire front end - the armrests, and the handlebar extensions - back about 15 millimeters?

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [Slowman] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 7:03

Post #17 of 55 (2983 views)

Slowman wrote:

warlockuy wrote:

Slowman wrote:

i would bring the aerobars back about 15mm. and, you SHOULD want to look like a pro. basically, it's pros that don't want to look like YOU. and i don't mean you, as in, just, YOU, but all the age group racers out there. it isn't the pros who're riding uncomfortable positions, it's the AGers.

i think you're already as low or lower than most of these pros. however, i think you're a little more stretched out than they are. some combination of moving the bars back and the saddle forward will place you in a position that i think is more sustainable over a long bike ride.

other than that, i think your position is quite good.

First of all, I appreciate that you see my post.
Really grateful

I do not want to look like pro, I would like to get to an appropriate position.
I can maintain or lose maximum 10-15% of my ftp, which is currently 332 w in 2x 20 minute test.
The big problem that I do not have in my country who can help me in person.
The ones I went to, they want to position me as a TT cyclist, they put the seat very far back, eye feels strong when I go back, but pressed forward.
If I had someone who could test me, it would be the best.
But I do not have that.
My coach has achieved a lot of good things and I improved a lot on the bike, and in the race I achieved my best time of 10k and 21k better time than when I was just a runner, but in the position he says he does not know much.
And it is very good that he tells me this, he creates confidence that what he does not know does not get involved.

You who thinks of the position?

In Buenos Aires with the previous position my bike time was 2:24 90k, I do not think it is very necessary to reduce this time a lot for an age group.

I dream of classifying nice at 70.3 from Punta del Este.
It is always good to dream;)

please if you do not mind telling, what do you think of the position I will be very grateful.
all help is very welcome.
I want to be able to go down to run and not be very exploited :) jejeje

sorry my english
Rafael

can you bring the entire front end - the armrests, and the handlebar extensions - back about 15 millimeters?

yes
today I make these two changes
5mm forward seat
and 15mm back arm rest

tomorrow I will post a new video

I really appreciate the help of all of you
Rafael

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [Slowman] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 7:05

Post #18 of 55 (2977 views)

none of these pros look all that great

Slowman wrote:

i would bring the aerobars back about 15mm. and, you SHOULD want to look like a pro. basically, it's pros that don't want to look like YOU. and i don't mean you, as in, just, YOU, but all the age group racers out there. it isn't the pros who're riding uncomfortable positions, it's the AGers.

i think you're already as low or lower than most of these pros. however, i think you're a little more stretched out than they are. some combination of moving the bars back and the saddle forward will place you in a position that i think is more sustainable over a long bike ride.

other than that, i think your position is quite good.

Eric Reid AeroFit | Instagram Portfolio
Aerodynamic Retul Bike Fitting

“You are experiencing the criminal coverup of a foreign backed fascist hostile takeover of a mafia shakedown of an authoritarian religious slow motion coup. Persuade people to vote for Democracy.”

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 7:10

Post #19 of 55 (2965 views)

ericMPro wrote:

none of these pros look all that great

i'll grant you that. but:

1. they look reasonably ALIKE. at least as regards their shoulder angles.
2. they probably don't have more armrest elevation decline than this fellow asking for position help.

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 7:13

Post #20 of 55 (2959 views)

ericMPro wrote:

none of these pros look all that great

Slowman wrote:

i would bring the aerobars back about 15mm. and, you SHOULD want to look like a pro. basically, it's pros that don't want to look like YOU. and i don't mean you, as in, just, YOU, but all the age group racers out there. it isn't the pros who're riding uncomfortable positions, it's the AGers.

i think you're already as low or lower than most of these pros. however, i think you're a little more stretched out than they are. some combination of moving the bars back and the saddle forward will place you in a position that i think is more sustainable over a long bike ride.

other than that, i think your position is quite good.

This layers sounds bad, does not it?
Layers that would have to have a more normal position :)
Today I make the proposed changes
Tomorrow I'll put a new video

You are free to really criticize what you think.
Everything will be very well come

very very thanks
Rafael :)

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [Slowman] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 10:02

Post #21 of 55 (2871 views)

Slowman wrote:

can you bring the entire front end - the armrests, and the handlebar extensions - back about 15 millimeters?

You'd recommend that even if he is comfortable? A bit of extra reach facilitates keeping the shoulders in and the head down, for me anyway.

Last edited by: rruff: Nov 14, 18 10:05

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [warlockuy] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 10:11

Post #22 of 55 (2863 views)

warlockuy wrote:

If I had someone who could test me, it would be the best.
But I do not have that.

If you have a powermeter you can aero test. It's tedious and time consuming to do it well, but it is possible. It is one part of the puzzle; the other is sustainable power output.

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [rruff] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 10:21

Post #23 of 55 (2846 views)

rruff wrote:

Slowman wrote:

can you bring the entire front end - the armrests, and the handlebar extensions - back about 15 millimeters?

You'd recommend that even if he is comfortable? A bit of extra reach facilitates keeping the shoulders in and the head down, for me anyway.

i understand there's a difference of opinion on this. just, if you look at MOST of the top pros in triathlon, there's a right angle formed between a line thru the torso and a line thru the upper arm. this has been the case for 25 or 30 years. yes, there are some outliers. but, they're outliers. kienle is always the one who comes to mind.

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [rruff] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 11:04

Post #24 of 55 (2802 views)

rruff wrote:

warlockuy wrote:

If I had someone who could test me, it would be the best.
But I do not have that.

If you have a powermeter you can aero test. It's tedious and time consuming to do it well, but it is possible. It is one part of the puzzle; the other is sustainable power output.

Hello
thanks for the reply
I have several tests and well I think that FTP is not sustainable in my case.
layers that time is reaching a point that is equal.
now if I can keep a good number of W for 2 hours or whatever it takes 70.3
and then go for a strong run.

I speak strong in my numbers of people who work 9 hours a day, have family and sleep little.

Strong I call to run at 4 min the km at 21k after swimming and bike
In training I could risk faster, but that's not the case.

I would like to be able to maintain 3.5 - 3.7 w / k the duration of the 90k

in my case it would be 240 - 255 w as aero as possible.

what test do you recommend or would it be appropriate to know if the position is sustainable.

I know that my ftp can not keep it attached. but I do not know if it is really necessary for the purpose that is to run 70.3

I want to clarify that I do not know anything, I just try to learn, and some message can be misunderstood because I use google translator

but I'm here to learn to read and listen to those who already have experience.

many calculations, with internet calculators.
I do not know how valid they are, many times it seems to me that they sacrifice a lot for very little gain in total time.

any tests that recommend?
Thank you

Rafael

Re: Help Position fit feel free to criticize [rruff] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 11:06

Post #25 of 55 (2795 views)

rruff wrote:

Slowman wrote:

can you bring the entire front end - the armrests, and the handlebar extensions - back about 15 millimeters?

You'd recommend that even if he is comfortable? A bit of extra reach facilitates keeping the shoulders in and the head down, for me anyway.

Thanks for the reply
But that man kienle is from another world :)
jejej I am a simple mortal who wants to try to improve, save as much as possible, to improve little by little.

thank you

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