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Helmet color, any difference in the heat
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Since almost everyone recommends aero road helmets for Kona (first timer here, so zero island experience), I decided to go with the only one I have - black Kask Infinity.
So, would colour be a problem? I still have a chance to borrow something else since my family comes in 5 days, but I would like not to, if it's not really necessary


Thanks
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Re: Helmet color, any difference in the heat [bojan] [ In reply to ]
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No difference. The shell color is irrelevant since conductive heat transfer from the shell to the interior is practically zero due to the low thermal conductivity of the foam (it's basically a beer cooler). What makes a helmet hot/cool to wear is the degree of convective heat transfer (i.e. airflow) it allows.

While you could easily pick up a real aero lid at the expo, I'd stick with the "nothing new on raceday" wisdom and race the Kask.

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Re: Helmet color, any difference in the heat [Titanflexr] [ In reply to ]
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Titanflexr wrote:
No difference. The shell color is irrelevant since conductive heat transfer from the shell to the interior is practically zero due to the low thermal conductivity of the foam (it's basically a beer cooler). What makes a helmet hot/cool to wear is the degree of convective heat transfer (i.e. airflow) it allows.

While you could easily pick up a real aero lid at the expo, I'd stick with the "nothing new on raceday" wisdom and race the Kask.
I was always under the same impression however Josh @ Silca made some very strong comments about this in one of the Marginal Gains Podcast episodes (I forget which one). He seemed quite sure that running a black helmet is making it way harder on yourself. Not sure what the data is to back that up but I suppose it really wouldn't be very hard to test and at least get some subjective evidence for or against. Anyone have a white and a black aerohead they want to do some experiments with?

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Re: Helmet color, any difference in the heat [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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Bedouins wear black in the desert.
It's not the color, its the ventilation (loose fitting, layers)
with helmets, it's the ventilation not the color.
number/shape of the holes, speed of the rider.
wearing a cabbage leaf on your head keeps you cooler than going bare headed. But its not very aero

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Re: Helmet color, any difference in the heat [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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realbdeal wrote:
Titanflexr wrote:
No difference. The shell color is irrelevant since conductive heat transfer from the shell to the interior is practically zero due to the low thermal conductivity of the foam (it's basically a beer cooler). What makes a helmet hot/cool to wear is the degree of convective heat transfer (i.e. airflow) it allows.

While you could easily pick up a real aero lid at the expo, I'd stick with the "nothing new on raceday" wisdom and race the Kask.

I was always under the same impression however Josh @ Silca made some very strong comments about this in one of the Marginal Gains Podcast episodes (I forget which one). He seemed quite sure that running a black helmet is making it way harder on yourself. Not sure what the data is to back that up but I suppose it really wouldn't be very hard to test and at least get some subjective evidence for or against. Anyone have a white and a black aerohead they want to do some experiments with?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SpHqtGPlJA : Ref to actual testing from helmet mfg.

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Re: Helmet color, any difference in the heat [ABarnes] [ In reply to ]
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I've been racing in my black Bambino for a few years. Hottest I raced in was around 105F. It felt warm and a bit uncomfortable, but not terrible. And that was probably down to ventilation rather than the colour. I was expecting to cook, but it didn't end up that way.
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realbdeal wrote:
Titanflexr wrote:
No difference. The shell color is irrelevant since conductive heat transfer from the shell to the interior is practically zero due to the low thermal conductivity of the foam (it's basically a beer cooler). What makes a helmet hot/cool to wear is the degree of convective heat transfer (i.e. airflow) it allows.

While you could easily pick up a real aero lid at the expo, I'd stick with the "nothing new on raceday" wisdom and race the Kask.
I was always under the same impression however Josh @ Silca made some very strong comments about this in one of the Marginal Gains Podcast episodes (I forget which one). He seemed quite sure that running a black helmet is making it way harder on yourself. Not sure what the data is to back that up but I suppose it really wouldn't be very hard to test and at least get some subjective evidence for or against. Anyone have a white and a black aerohead they want to do some experiments with?

https://overcast.fm/+QSf7ehlIA Somewhere in this one I believe. I heard it over the weekend and was shocked. I thought it mattered for things close to the skin such as clothes but not helmets due to the foam?
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Re: Helmet color, any difference in the heat [bojan] [ In reply to ]
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I did a little experiment with a black and a white helmets Aeroheads

95 degrees and sunny.

Placed them in the sun with a thermometer under each for 1 hour

Then reversed the thermometers to make sure they were accurate

I thought for sure the white one would be cooler

Nope they were the same temp
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Re: Helmet color, any difference in the heat [ABarnes] [ In reply to ]
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I think the main take-away here is that it is clearly time to start racing in cabbage leaves when its hot out! Who cares how aero you are if its comfy!

Alternatively, someone has to take a cabbage leave to the wind tunnel to see just how many watts we would lose out on (to see if it could be worth it!)
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Anne is right that it's all about ventilation. Bedouins can/do wear black because it allows less light penetration to the skin for a given weight and breathability of fabric, and for lightweight fabrics the amount of additional heat it can hold compared to white is negligible.

For road helmets this is the same story.. it's all about the ventilation and while you might be able to find a small temperature difference on the outer surface of the helmet, you can't see anything inside the helmet as that temperature is purely driven by airflow.

Low ventilation aero helmets, however, are not the same story. In my previous life I was part of a team test where we measured 2-5 degrees C difference between aero helmets with white/shiny finishes and matte black ones. While this isn't the end of the world, it can most certainly be a factor over time.

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joshatsilca wrote:

Low ventilation aero helmets, however, are not the same story. In my previous life I was part of a team test where we measured 2-5 degrees C difference between aero helmets with white/shiny finishes and matte black ones. While this isn't the end of the world, it can most certainly be a factor over time.

Wow. 5C is a lot. Even with the low ventilation, given the theta of foam...that's still surprising.
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joshatsilca wrote:
Anne is right that it's all about ventilation. Bedouins can/do wear black because it allows less light penetration to the skin for a given weight and breathability of fabric, and for lightweight fabrics the amount of additional heat it can hold compared to white is negligible.

For road helmets this is the same story.. it's all about the ventilation and while you might be able to find a small temperature difference on the outer surface of the helmet, you can't see anything inside the helmet as that temperature is purely driven by airflow.

Low ventilation aero helmets, however, are not the same story. In my previous life I was part of a team test where we measured 2-5 degrees C difference between aero helmets with white/shiny finishes and matte black ones. While this isn't the end of the world, it can most certainly be a factor over time.

Josh, thanks for the insight. Can you provide some additional details on the test protocol? Examples: what kind of helmets, how/where were measurements taken, environmental factors, etc.

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