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Half IM Monaco - last
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post from Bruno Fiore again...no time to translate...but run it in an automatic translator and if it's fuzzy I'll explain later...

in short the company org. the race wanted the State of Monaco to give them 300,000 euros for the race...plus partners etc...plus registration fees of roughly the same amount...a big RIP OFF...that'll give a good idea of why entry fees are so expensive...

Voici les précisions que je tiens à apporter sur les liens entre la FM Tri et Triangle.
Nous avons rencontré M. HOCCHEGER, président de Triangle à 4 ou 5 reprises seulement.
Cette personne nous a contacté au mois de décembre 2003 et nous a demandé un entretien dans le but de créer à Monaco un half-Ironman.
L'idée nous paraissant intéressante, nous avons donc rencontré M. HOCCHEGER. Comme quoi une Fédé n'est pas hermétique aux propositions de la WTC, alors qu'aucune question financière n'avait alors été évoquée.
Il me semble d'ailleurs que nous aurions créé un précédent en nous associant directement avec la WTC, ce qui n'était pas forcément du gout de l'ITU.
Lors de ce 1er entretien M. HOCCHEGER nous a dit que le budget pour cette compétition était de 900 000 euros (un chiffre astronomique en comparaison aux sommes versées par une ville étape du tour de France cycliste).
Nous avons alors fait savoir que notre fédé n'avait pas d'argent et que nous étions près à supporter l'organisation technique mais aucun coût financier.
M. HOCCHEGER nous a dit qu'il serait bien que l'Etat verse 300 000 euros, que 300 000 viendraient de sponsors privés et 300 000 des inscriptions. Nous lui avons dit que la subvention de l'Etat ne serait pas aussi importante, ce qui s'est vérifié par la suite.
Nous nous sommes rencontrés ou avons conversé par mail, et à chaque fois M. HOCCHEGER insistait sur le montant de la subvention de l'Etat. Or il ne nous a jamais parlé de ses sponsors. Il changeait de conversation lorsque nous désirions des renseignements sur les futurs partenaires.
Je vous précise que lors des pourparlers la fédé a demandé à ce qu'une somme inférieure à 1% du budget lui soit reversée en rétribution du travail à fournir. L'affaire de gros sous dont certains parlent est étrangère à la FM tri.
Or le jour de la signature du contrat, fini la modeste contribution pour la FM Tri, mais par contre on nous demandait de faire tout le travail à l'oeil pour Triangle.
Mais cet aspect de l'affaire est en fait la goutte qui a fait déborder le vase.
En fait, Triangle s'est permis sans même nous demander notre avis, de créer un site web et d'encaisser les inscriptions alors qu'aucun accord n'était intervenu. De plus, par voie de presse (Triathlète magazine), Triangle claironnait partout qu'elle organisait un Tri à Monaco alors que nous n'en étions qu'au stade des discussions. Pour couronner le tout, M. HOCCHEGER a ajouté que le directeur technique de l'épreuve était Yves CORDIER.
Et tout cela sans rien nous dire.
Lors de notre ultime entrevue, nous avons deamndé à M. HOCCHEGER de nous présenter des garanties financières pour organiser l'épreuve. Il en a été incapable. Pensez donc, 900 000 euros ça ne se trouve pas comme çà. De plus, cette somme nous paraissait plus que douteuse puisque le budget d'une telle épreuve avoisine au grand maximum 200 000 à 300 00 euros.
Nous ne pouvions donc plus faire confiance à M. HOCCHEGER. Vous comprenez maintenant pourquoi vous payez aussi chères vos inscriptions pour les IM.
Un point de vue personnel pour conclure, j'ai eu la chance de me qualifier pour HawaÏ 2004 lors de l'IM de Geradmer 2004.
Et bien Hawaï, c'est bien de le faire une fois, mais je vous rassure ce n'est pas le Nirvana du triathlon. Pour l'ambiance allez plutôt à ROTH ou même à Embrun.
Pour finir, vous pouvez constater le mutisme de la société Triangle dans cette affaire. La FM Tri ne risquant aucun nauvrage financier joue la transparence. Par contre je vous laisse juge de l'opacité d'un budget pharaonique pour l'organisation d'un triathlon.
J'espère que ces précisions vous aurons aidé à mieux cerner le problème. Je vous invite à prendre contact avec l'organisateur du triathlon XL de Gerardmer pour vous faire une idée sur la question.
Merci à tous.
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Re: Half IM Monaco - last [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks Francois. Please continue to keep us updated.

Tom.

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Re: Half IM Monaco - last [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Francois,

c'est tres difficile, écrire en anglais ou allemand, s'il vous plâit.

Salut,

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Re: Half IM Monaco - last [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Merci pour ces infos, François.

Is it really a big surprise though ? We all know that the WTC acts (has always acted this way in recent years) like a big bully.

And I always found the IM entry fees "quite high", to say the least.

Already, the cost of the Nice triathlon has gone from 180 Euros (this year) to 300 Euros next year under the IM label. I don't think the organisation costs that much more.
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Re: Half IM Monaco - last [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Merci Francois.

Certainly interesting (although not that surprising) to read about the behind the scenes dealings and manipulations sourrounding some of these events.



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Re: Half IM Monaco - last [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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could someone please translate. being the ignorant american I am, I only know 1 language



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Re: Half IM Monaco - last [WHeinle] [ In reply to ]
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900K Euros for putting on a race sounds mighty high and trying to extract 300K Euros from the locals seem outrageous. They could likely host a Dauphine Libere or Paris Nice stage finish for less and extract much more economic value to the community. Its not like Monte Carlo as a community needs cheap triathletes to come and spend money there and walk around in speedos and heart rate monitors !

I was strongly considering doing this event in 2006, but I'll hold out.

Anyone know if the Long Distance race in Ibiza where they had the 2003 ITU LC World's is still on ?
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Re: Half IM Monaco - last [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone know if the Long Distance race in Ibiza where they had the 2003 ITU LC World's is still on ?
http://www.homedeferro.com

Felix

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Re: Half IM Monaco - last [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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quick bulletized translation:

1. met with M. Hoccheger, pdt of Triangle only 4-5 times. contacted dec.03 to put on a race in monaco
2. idea seemed interesting so we met.
3. first meeting M. Hoccheger said that the budget for the race was 900,000 euros which seemed very high even compared to what a town pays to have the Tour de France.
4. we told Hoccheger that the Federation didn't have any money and that we could help with the technical organization but not financially.
5. M. Hoccheger said it would be great that the state gives 300,000 euros, that the same amount would come from sponsors and the same amount from registration fees.
6. we told him that the state wouldn't pay that much which was confirmed thereafter.
7. we met and discussed by email several times and M. Hoccheger always insisted on these 300,000 euros from the state.
8. he never mentioned sponsors and was dodging the subject each time we tried to talk about future sponsors.
9. during the talks the federation asked for less than 1% of the budget was given to compensate for teh work to be done.
10. Triangle was clearly asking that we do everything for free.
11. Triangle even started teh website, getting money from registration even though no agreement had been reach
12. through tri mag, they bragged they were putting on a race in monaco and that the technical director was Yves Cordier. All this without telling us anything at all.
13.at our last meeting we asked M. Hoccheger to present financial guarantees to organize the event. he wasn't able to.
14. the 900,000 euros seemed outrageous to us as this kind of race costs at most 300,000 euros...
15. we couldn't trust him and now you know why registration fees are so high for IM races.
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Re: Half IM Monaco - last [felix__w] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Half IM Monaco - last [felix__w] [ In reply to ]
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I don't know why but the text below won't show up in the post above. When I edit it I can see the text. But not in preview or after posting.

Probably a bit OT. But there is another new ITU LD race in France. On May 1st 05 the 1st Corsciatri will be in Calvi (island of Corsica). It will be 4 - 120 -30 km: http://www.corsicatri.com

This race sounds interesting. Unfortunately it is quite early in the season.


Felix

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Re: Half IM Monaco - last [felix__w] [ In reply to ]
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this race in Corsica sounds really interesting. I'd imagine that the whole course is either uphill at 10% or downhill at 10%. Sounds like a tough one, but May 1 is only a week after the Boston Marathon, so that is out for 2005 for sure. Ibiza on Oct 10th is always a possiblity....

Felix, do you have the date of Zofingen 2005 ?
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Re: Half IM Monaco - last [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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Felix, do you have the date of Zofingen 2005 ?


It is on the weekend I fly to Canada :) August 21: http://www.powerman.ch/content.cfm?pub=2 :

Next year’s Powerman duathlon seasons peaks on August 20/21 with Powerman Zofingen 2005. The new date has been set three weeks prior to the habitual date.
This to give an opportunity to race in Zofingen also to athletes competing in Ironman competitions, the main European Ironman contests taking place at the end of June and at the beginning of July. There is no clash with Hawaii either : the new date leaves an eight-week span to recover and prepare for Big Island. Henceforth Powerman Zofingen claims the new date at the end of August and 8 weeks prior to Hawaii to position itself fixedly on the international race calendar.


There is no profil yet for the corsicatri. But there are two climbs from 0 to 443 meteres and very likely some more 'hills'. I have to convince my wife to go to Corsica in May 06.

Felix

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