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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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I saw that the 800 will store 5 bike profiles.

Do you know if the firmware update will allow the 500 to store more than the 3 it currently stores?

Unknown at the moment, I'll try and get clarification.


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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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Ray,
Sorry if this question is mis-directed, but any idea on why I can no longer upload an Ant+ .fit file to PowerAgent now that I have updated to the latest firmware update on the edge 800? I could, and still can, upload activity files in that format prior to the firmware upgrade, but now I get a message that an error ocurred during the upload. Viewing the details of the error message it may be Java related, maybe some incompatibility between PowerAgent and the latest edge800 firmware perhaps?
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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [atomic916] [ In reply to ]
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atomic916 wrote:
Ray,
Sorry if this question is mis-directed, but any idea on why I can no longer upload an Ant+ .fit file to PowerAgent now that I have updated to the latest firmware update on the edge 800? I could, and still can, upload activity files in that format prior to the firmware upgrade, but now I get a message that an error ocurred during the upload. Viewing the details of the error message it may be Java related, maybe some incompatibility between PowerAgent and the latest edge800 firmware perhaps?

The f/w update did change the .FIT architecture (updated it), which may have broken some clients. I saw a list of compliant applications/sites on the Garmin Forums yesterday, and the vast majority were fine. Only sites/applications that didn't implement the FIT parser in a way to simply overlook 'unknown data fields' would have a problem. The reason this is of note is that the new .FIT file actually sends over the TSS/NP/IF values at the end of the file, which can cause apps that aren't expecting it to fumble.


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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks Mr. Rainmaker for your quick and thorough response as always. Checked out the forum, looks like I'll have to find an alternative analysis tool!
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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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dcrainmaker wrote:
atomic916 wrote:
Ray,
Sorry if this question is mis-directed, but any idea on why I can no longer upload an Ant+ .fit file to PowerAgent now that I have updated to the latest firmware update on the edge 800? I could, and still can, upload activity files in that format prior to the firmware upgrade, but now I get a message that an error ocurred during the upload. Viewing the details of the error message it may be Java related, maybe some incompatibility between PowerAgent and the latest edge800 firmware perhaps?


The f/w update did change the .FIT architecture (updated it), which may have broken some clients. I saw a list of compliant applications/sites on the Garmin Forums yesterday, and the vast majority were fine. Only sites/applications that didn't implement the FIT parser in a way to simply overlook 'unknown data fields' would have a problem. The reason this is of note is that the new .FIT file actually sends over the TSS/NP/IF values at the end of the file, which can cause apps that aren't expecting it to fumble.

Downloaded the new firmware and did my first ride with TSS, NP and all the other new thingamajigs to look at on my Edge 800. Cool. However, when uploaded to the Garmin Connect website it was the same old data fields (just avg and max power). Boo....


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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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dcrainmaker wrote:
jmh wrote:
I saw that the 800 will store 5 bike profiles.

Do you know if the firmware update will allow the 500 to store more than the 3 it currently stores?


Unknown at the moment, I'll try and get clarification.

Ray by any chance did you get clarification on this?

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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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I downloaded the latest firmware on my 500 and now I don't have an overall wattage avg - it displays the same info as my 3s avg. Any ideas on this?
I'm also unable to recalibrate either of my powermeters. I actually left it all night two nights ago and it sill didn't work.

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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [natethomas] [ In reply to ]
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What firmware version? There is something I read about a heart rate monitor. If you have a heart rate monitor turned on, put it on and try to calibrate it.
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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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jmh wrote:
dcrainmaker wrote:
jmh wrote:
I saw that the 800 will store 5 bike profiles.

Do you know if the firmware update will allow the 500 to store more than the 3 it currently stores?


Unknown at the moment, I'll try and get clarification.


Ray by any chance did you get clarification on this?

Asked, but I think the answer got overlooked. Will hit up again.


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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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seeing as it seems unlikely i will see my 910xt as soon as i would like. any news on the edge500 firmware?
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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [canadapostrock] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the update! I added the firmware to my 800. It's good to hear that the release date is still March 2012! My fingers are crossed.
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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [canadapostrock] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone hear anything from garmin as to when the update with be avaliable for the Edge 500?
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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [MgAdams] [ In reply to ]
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MgAdams wrote:
Anyone hear anything from garmin as to when the update with be avaliable for the Edge 500?

I did hear a solid 'no later than the second week of Feb' - so hopefully very soon.
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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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hey dcrainmaker -

now that the vector release got pushed back until summer (which isn't gaining garmin any customers, i'm sure), any idea when that firmware update is coming out for the edge 500? is it still coming soon?
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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [climber7] [ In reply to ]
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hey dcrainmaker -

now that the vector release got pushed back until summer (which isn't gaining garmin any customers, i'm sure), any idea when that firmware update is coming out for the edge 500? is it still coming soon?

Still March, asked/confirmed that today.


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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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Well, we're mid March... Anyone have any news on software updates for the 500?


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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [climber7] [ In reply to ]
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hey dcrainmaker -

now that the vector release got pushed back until summer (which isn't gaining garmin any customers, i'm sure), any idea when that firmware update is coming out for the edge 500? is it still coming soon?

FWIW, NP is effing useless while training. I tried to train by shooting for NP numbers and ended up not getting as much from my workouts.

As for TSS, there are times knowing how much i have done is nice so i don't over do things. But i don't go chase TSS if i'm under.
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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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echappist wrote:
climber7 wrote:
hey dcrainmaker -


now that the vector release got pushed back until summer (which isn't gaining garmin any customers, i'm sure), any idea when that firmware update is coming out for the edge 500? is it still coming soon?


FWIW, NP is effing useless while training. I tried to train by shooting for NP numbers and ended up not getting as much from my workouts.

As for TSS, there are times knowing how much i have done is nice so i don't over do things. But i don't go chase TSS if i'm under.


Yeah I agree. I can't think of a reason why NP would be all that useful during the ride. TSS would fall into the category of "nice to know", but it shouldn't dictate what you're doing out there.





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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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echappist wrote:


FWIW, NP is effing useless while training. I tried to train by shooting for NP numbers and ended up not getting as much from my workouts.


I don't really need it here where it's dead-flat, but I could see the usefulness in rolling terrain.

I gave up NP when I moved from a Joule to an Edge 500 and don't miss it much. Would have been nice to have for long course tri, but I didn't feel that handicapped without it.

The main use I had for onboard TSS is for when I was on travel. I drove and brought my bike (2-4 day trips). It was nice to have an idea of TSS without needing to bring a second laptop with me for downloading files.
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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [Cobble] [ In reply to ]
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Well, we're mid March... Anyone have any news on software updates for the 500?

I asked yesterday during a call, and honestly, I can't get a clear answer anymore on it. Before they were willing to give timelines, but now, I think they're just as upset with all the missed deadlines on it.


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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [dcrainmaker] [ In reply to ]
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Ray not to you directly, but anyone willing to place a bet on when Garmin releases this update?

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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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I bet it will be out with Garmin 501!

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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [TriDave79] [ In reply to ]
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I'm still not convinced it's best to make this upgrade. I'd rather have NP and TSS in Power Agent after the ride than in the unit during the ride.



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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [SCOTTinNJ] [ In reply to ]
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For me, I like the ability to view it after the ride. I don't care about NP or TSS while riding, but it'd be nice to look through the ride file & get the data w/o having to upload the data to TP or whatever.
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Re: Garmin 500/800 NP, IF, TSS firmware update? [grosso27] [ In reply to ]
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Not really that concerned about TSS/IF/NP but i do want a firmware update that includes the added bike profiles from 3 to 5 as in the Edge 800.

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