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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
BryanD wrote:
No. HED does not make carbon clinchers.

I know they haven't historically but those aren't the HED Blacks. Maybe a new rim.

What makes you say that? Best I can tell from the pics they look like the Jet rims

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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
BryanD wrote:
No. HED does not make carbon clinchers.


I know they haven't historically but those aren't the HED Blacks. Maybe a new rim.

I assumed those are Jet Plus Disc Brake wheels?
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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [Uncle Phil] [ In reply to ]
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Uncle Phil wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
BryanD wrote:
No. HED does not make carbon clinchers.


I know they haven't historically but those aren't the HED Blacks. Maybe a new rim.

I assumed those are Jet Plus Disc Brake wheels?

Plus, the "white paper" specifically states that they designed around Hed Jets...

http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Tom A. wrote:
Uncle Phil wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
BryanD wrote:
No. HED does not make carbon clinchers.


I know they haven't historically but those aren't the HED Blacks. Maybe a new rim.


I assumed those are Jet Plus Disc Brake wheels?


Plus, the "white paper" specifically states that they designed around Hed Jets...

"Grey paper" ;-)

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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [wbattaile] [ In reply to ]
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wbattaile wrote:
At what point do we call that lower part of the frame a fairing?

Now. Exactly now.
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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Tom A. wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
BryanD wrote:
No. HED does not make carbon clinchers.

I know they haven't historically but those aren't the HED Blacks. Maybe a new rim.

What makes you say that? Best I can tell from the pics they look like the Jet rims

The brake track on the Jet Black rims is very distinct as you know. I see what looks like a brake track but it appears to be too thin and I don't see any texture. Maybe it's just the low resolution pics.
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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Eagerly awaiting Romulus's opinion on this Ducatiback.

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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Hope the light saber business is doing well...
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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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Wow this thing is wild. Im pretty just about everyone on this forum knows way way way more than me about the technical side of bike design. All I can say is it is aesthetically pleasing and really cool to see the design limits being pushed
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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean! [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Now you know what I was vaguely referring to when you pinged me about disc brakes last week, Jordan. Been sitting on this for exactly one year. More intel (drag data, design stuff, quotes from the engineers, amazing photos) can be found on the internet now for those interested in that kind of stuff.

And yeah, this bike is way out there... I applaud the thinking and application. And the sheer chance-taking on Diamondback's part.

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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean! [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Why hate on Weiss? Nevermind the fact this isn't about him, it's about the bike. So don't push your own agenda. That said, Weiss is one of the strongest cyclists in the sport - what better way to showcase your product? I'm assuming your comment is in regards to his past indiscretions and I'd wager the majority of athletes buying this thing have no idea of his past - just that he posted a crazy bike split on an equally crazy looking machine. Those that do could care less of who's riding it (myself included).

Back to the bike, please.
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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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That would be the biggest fail imaginable. Highly doubt a legitimate company of scale made the same mistake as some pro triathlete tinkerer working out of his garage.
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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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Want. I've always loved Akira!


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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean! [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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davews09 wrote:
Why hate on Weiss? Nevermind the fact this isn't about him, it's about the bike. So don't push your own agenda. That said, Weiss is one of the strongest cyclists in the sport - what better way to showcase your product? I'm assuming your comment is in regards to his past indiscretions and I'd wager the majority of athletes buying this thing have no idea of his past - just that he posted a crazy bike split on an equally crazy looking machine. Those that do could care less of who's riding it (myself included).

Back to the bike, please.

Easy for the guy who pushes the most watts to have a fast split. Now take a guy who pushes 20w less on average and is consistently top 3 bike splits, but never fastest and put him on the bike and suddenly a race best bike split and you have something. Similar to the Crowie/Shiv campaign.

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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [mauricemaher] [ In reply to ]
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"Grey paper" ;-)

They have a chart on the site now, so there has been a little bit of bleaching at least

As the kind of person that digitises and saves wind tunnel graphs I took the liberty of overlaying the new data on the original Serios data

Dashed lines are from the Serios release. I normalised the 0deg point for the Serios curves.

I applaud DB for what they've tried to do here. But it's really not looking like there is much benefit at the yaw angles that matter compared to a 4 year old superbike. And I'd really want to see rider-on data for a bike like this.

Additionally - the choice of Hed bars doesn't help the fit range, so the utility of this bike is rather hampered, no matter how much stuff it can carry.
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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
Tom A. wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
BryanD wrote:
No. HED does not make carbon clinchers.


I know they haven't historically but those aren't the HED Blacks. Maybe a new rim.


What makes you say that? Best I can tell from the pics they look like the Jet rims


The brake track on the Jet Black rims is very distinct as you know. I see what looks like a brake track but it appears to be too thin and I don't see any texture. Maybe it's just the low resolution pics.

The disc brake versions don't have a brake track. I think that's what you are seeing...
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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Pretty fugly compared to a P5 for not much gain at low yaw.
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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Except for the meat slicer braker i think it looks very good, i dont think i would carry a wallet on a race though ;)

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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
Tom A. wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
BryanD wrote:
No. HED does not make carbon clinchers.

I know they haven't historically but those aren't the HED Blacks. Maybe a new rim.

What makes you say that? Best I can tell from the pics they look like the Jet rims

The brake track on the Jet Black rims is very distinct as you know. I see what looks like a brake track but it appears to be too thin and I don't see any texture. Maybe it's just the low resolution pics.

Hed did make a full carbon clincher some years ago. It was a very finished product that never actually made it to market, only to a few select testers.

Funnily enough the reason they never made it to full production was Mr. Hed wasn't happy with how the full carbon rim disapated heat. The resins etc. were fine but the heat generated from long braking cycles were exceeding what the tubes and tyres could take. Same reason Shimano don't make a full carbon clincher. Obviously not a problem with disc brakes. . .
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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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All those cubby holes and I see hydration integration completely ignored.
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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
I never thought I'd say this... I think they went too far.

,....

Me too.
I think its ugly as hell.
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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean! [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Would be nice if they'd picked another athlete to work with, though. At the very least, I would think they'd want an athlete who has at least some credibility. When you have a design that is that crazy, convincing people to even give you a chance is a huge, huge obstacle. And I don't see Weiss helping them very much in that regard.

Jay's article mentioned Matt Russell being on it in Kona, which I think is a much better move than Weiss. Just sucks that Matt has to be associated with Weiss to ride this bike............

Couldn't agree more with your comments. As an above poster stated most people have no idea, which is too bad. Luckily there is a decent amount of Pros that speak out about the convicted dopers, so they are becoming more known I think.

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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Not exactly true. HED planned to do a carbon clincher about five years ago but pulled back on the project when they weren't happy with the heat generated in the brake track when the clamps were applied. At that point I "think" their position was that they were not willing to build up the rims for rim brakes, but that they would be ok for disc braking.

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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Another long and low option hitting the market I see

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Re: First Look: The New Dimondback Andean Bike! [snaaijert] [ In reply to ]
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All those cubby holes and I see hydration integration completely ignored.

In reference to this and the lack of integrated hydration on the Omni... I may be "mis-remembering" this but doesn't specialized have a patent on "inside the frame" hydration? As I said I maybe wrong about this.
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