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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [kuwak9] [ In reply to ]
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Oh! Almost forgot! Thank you, and enjoy your new bike!

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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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I'm wondering if a large will work?
Pad stack of 58.5
Pad reach of 54

I'm currently on a 2012 Kestrel AirfoilPro SL size 59
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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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Would this be US only or available in Canada as well?


Hi Maurice,
I'm double checking to make sure, but 99.99999% sure this is US only. Even if it is possible to order direct to Canada, it would almost certainly be less expensive to ship through a forwarding company like MYUS.com. We shipped a *lot* of bikes through them when I was in-house at Diamondback.


Hi

I believe I have registered correctly with the organization code, selected the bike and went to checkout to verify the final price, but it won't accept the code. I haven't entered any shipping address yet, because I will need to use something like MYUS.com, but wanted to see the price. It doesn't seem like that should stop the code from being accepted though. Any ideas of what I can do to check if I am correctly setup in the system?

Thanks,
JH
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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [cloud] [ In reply to ]
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cloud wrote:
I'm wondering if a large will work?
Pad stack of 58.5
Pad reach of 54

I'm currently on a 2012 Kestrel AirfoilPro SL size 59

that is a MIGHTY long and low bike. 540mm, even to pad center, is a pretty long bike, that sounds XLish. but 585 is a low pad height. how tall are you ?

matt? can even a size L get that low?

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman
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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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Sizing question......used to ride the original Cervelo P2C in a 56 with a stack and and reach of 531/429. I haven't raced or owned a tri bike for 12 years and much has changed including my weight unfortunately....long way of saying i am not wanting the "long and low" set up. Racing an ironman in 2021 (assuming we can) and was considering the Large however in the current circumstances do not have the ability to get current fit co ordinates....
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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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I'm 5' 10.5" with an inseam of 32.5 "

I keep looking at the dimensions I pulled off the bike and they are correct. It's what I've been riding with since 2014.
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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [cloud] [ In reply to ]
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I'm 5' 10.5" with an inseam of 32.5 "

I keep looking at the dimensions I pulled off the bike and they are correct. It's what I've been riding with since 2014.

your pad x looks like a size XL. your pad y looks like a size M. your height argues for a size M, that is - fredly can correct me - a size 54.

you're going to need to convince me of your pad x (pad reach). meaning, that your pad x is really that long, and that your pad x should be that long.

Dan Empfield
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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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that is a MIGHTY long and low bike. 540mm, even to pad center, is a pretty long bike, that sounds XLish. but 585 is a low pad height. how tall are you ?

Yeah, that's a tough one. It's size small/very bottom of the range size M pad height with size XL reach.

Definitely can't hit those numbers with any of the stock configurations. You'd be looking at a size M frame with a very long negative rise stem and/or super low stack aerobar/pads.

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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [jhm] [ In reply to ]
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I believe I have registered correctly with the organization code, selected the bike and went to checkout to verify the final price, but it won't accept the code.

The organization code needs to be entered at the time of registration, in the space provided on the registration page. If you have already registered without using the code, you will need to re-register using the code, and - sorry! - you will likely have to use a different email to do so. The site Diamondback is using to facilitate this special deal is set up to service corporate clients, and links registered email addresses to specific discount levels.
Sorry for the hassle!

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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [Zulu] [ In reply to ]
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Sizing question......used to ride the original Cervelo P2C in a 56 with a stack and and reach of 531/429. I haven't raced or owned a tri bike for 12 years and much has changed including my weight unfortunately....long way of saying i am not wanting the "long and low" set up. Racing an ironman in 2021 (assuming we can) and was considering the Large however in the current circumstances do not have the ability to get current fit co ordinates....

Really hard to give a great answer with just this information to go on. Andean frame s/r is -

L - 543/415
M - 518/400

...so it would depend on how low you were set up on your P2C, and how much higher/shorter you want to be now. Andean is just a little bit taller/shorter in the size L, so it does sound like a good bet based on just the frame numbers.

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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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O.K.

I don't have that many pictures of me on the bike but here's one of me on the bike and another of just the bike.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/LJaVAbHP5mjMhQC66


https://photos.app.goo.gl/rygmKze1EVsoB1TY9


Maybe I can reduce the reach?




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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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If anyone is looking at the Andean 2 build, and doesn’t want the 302 wheelset, please LMK. I have been looking for a set of those.
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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [cloud] [ In reply to ]
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My general policy when I'm acting as the representative of a bike company is to not tell people that they need to change their position. There's just too much room to interpret that as a conflict of interest, and sets up a potential situation where people buy a bike that won't fit the position they are used to, and then don't like the new bike/position.

So, having said that, it looks like you are riding a really darn steep effective seat angle on that bike, and that puts you in a reach range that's just going to be difficult to hit on a lot of bikes.

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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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Yah my last racing was before Pad numbers became a fit co ordinate - i was running a zipp vuka base bar and vision tech extension with no spacers between however i had about 2.5 to 3 inches of spacers under the base bar. based - i'm 5 '11 and no longer a lean mean racing machine - lol. I suspect i'd like to go up approximately 2 inches from the P2 and looking at numbers stack is naturally higher plus i believe you have the option of a couple of 15mm spacers to use? if that is not enough i could go with a different bar and telescope up a bit was my thoughts...??
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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [Zulu] [ In reply to ]
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You'd *definitely* have the ability to add stack height on the Andean! Native stack of the frame is a bit higher than what you're on now, then you would have the ability to add headset spacers under the stem, and add on top of that whatever stack height options are available with your aerobar setup. Something like the Aeria Ultimate bars on the Andean 3 would give the possibility to add a lot more stack at that point in the chain. For max stack height potential that's definitely the build I would recommend.

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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you most helpful - would i be correct in saying i can get reach adjusment based on a combination of seat post fore/aft and depending on the bars used, pad movement as well?
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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [Zulu] [ In reply to ]
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With the FIST protocols, we typically do not recommend that you adjust your reach by manipulation of saddle position. Ideally, you would determine the correct saddle position, and then adjust the front end to that. In practice, it's a bit more of a balancing act than that, but you still don't want to find yourself having to move your saddle to make a bike fit you.
Good news is that there are a lot of options in terms of pad reach adjustment available, and if you're on the correct size frame, you should be able to adjust reach via those mechanisms.

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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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I believe I have registered correctly with the organization code, selected the bike and went to checkout to verify the final price, but it won't accept the code.

The organization code needs to be entered at the time of registration, in the space provided on the registration page. If you have already registered without using the code, you will need to re-register using the code, and - sorry! - you will likely have to use a different email to do so. The site Diamondback is using to facilitate this special deal is set up to service corporate clients, and links registered email addresses to specific discount levels.
Sorry for the hassle!

Thanks, I added the code at registration so it must be something else that is wrong.
But as a start maybe someone can check and share the price of the XL Andean 3 with the slowtwitch discount?
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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [jhm] [ In reply to ]
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$6500, and still at least one left in that size.

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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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To be honest, this is not completely true. I own 1 Andean and have recently bought one from the Dutch distributor of sram/zipp as they used this one as a show model on expo’s.
Both bottom brackets were the original one placed bij DB when ordered.

They are impossible te remove. We have tried literally everything. With some very experienced mechanics from Shimano as well and at the end we just stopped since we didn’t dared to put more force on it te remove it.
In our shop it is really the only bike where we didn’t het the bottom bracket out, it was just that tiight.

Everything else is super cool on this bike and i will never sell it.

Jeroen

Owner at TRIPRO, The Netherlands
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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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Fredly, as I previously wrote I still own an Andean. Is there anyway to get one of the newer stems without the flanges. I like to set it up with a different aerobar then the HED bar.

Thanks,

Jeroen

Owner at TRIPRO, The Netherlands
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Hi
Advice to see if I am a small or a medium?

Pad X - 478
Pad Y - 610


5'7"
30" in seam

IG -frebay | Strava
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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [TRIPRO] [ In reply to ]
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To be honest, this is not completely true. I own 1 Andean and have recently bought one from the Dutch distributor of sram/zipp as they used this one as a show model on expo’s.
Both bottom brackets were the original one placed bij DB when ordered.

They are impossible te remove. We have tried literally everything. With some very experienced mechanics from Shimano as well and at the end we just stopped since we didn’t dared to put more force on it te remove it.
In our shop it is really the only bike where we didn’t het the bottom bracket out, it was just that tiight.

My tenure at Diamondback ended a couple of months ago, but prior to that departure, I would have been the person at Diamondback handling a complaint like this, and as mentioned up thread, such a complaint was never made during my tenure. You may have contacted Diamondback after my departure, and I can't speak to the experience that you might have had at that time.


So, having said that, and assuming that you didn't make contact with whoever is filling that role at the company presently, just a point of process here; Folks really need to talk to the manufacturer when they encounter things like this. For a couple of really important reasons.

1 - if this scenario had come across my desk, I would have told you to - and in fact requested that you *please* - use the force necessary to push that stuck BB out of the frame. I would have offered to send a replacement frame if this had resulted in any damage (which I doubt, frankly. The plastic shell of those BBs is much less robust than the carbon of the frame). This would have been resolved one way or another, and you wouldn't have to worry about it.

2 - if the manufacturer doesn't hear about problems like this, they never find out about them. N = 1 isn't particularly meaningful, but N = 3 has much more impact. One of the biggest reasons I would have asked you to take that BB out as mentioned above would have been to get accurate measurements of the BBs on the frame(s) you have to check and see that they conform to the design standard. If they did not, I would have replaced them. Frankly, my guess is that they likely do, and that this may have led to a recommendation against using a particular manufacturer's bottom bracket that our internal testing had shown to have a larger diameter than that offered by other manufacturers.

That is all, of course, talking about what I would have done when I was running the program in question. I am no longer in a position to make any such promises or offer any such recommendations in an official capacity.

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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [TRIPRO] [ In reply to ]
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Jeroen - Unfortunately, I don't have any info on those stems, but my belief is that Diamondback still has a supply of them in house. If you contact them directly via the website someone there should be able to help you out. If that doesn't work, please post again or IM and I will see if I can get better contact info for you.

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Re: Diamondback Andean Questions (you'll see why this thread is topical) [frebay] [ In reply to ]
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Hi
Advice to see if I am a small or a medium?

Pad X - 478
Pad Y - 610


5'7"
30" in seam

Medium looks like it would provide a better set of sizing solutions for you. You could hit those numbers with a long stem and arm pad risers on a small, but you're basically smack dab in the middle of the sizing graph for the medium.

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