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Crossfit doper wins sprint tri
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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [craventri] [ In reply to ]
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Didn’t win overall, and got chicked.
Loser.

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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [craventri] [ In reply to ]
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I’m guessing the swim was short, or was down a lazy river. Unless he swims a 1:12/100m pace
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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [strtezbckoff] [ In reply to ]
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Am I misreading something? Isn't it the woman who was sanctioned (Kabboord), and won women's OA?

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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [TJP_SBR] [ In reply to ]
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Hard to say her swim skill but swimming is part of CrossFit competitions so some are strong swimmers.
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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [craventri] [ In reply to ]
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Thats terrible...but if I read the link correctly that you posted she was suspended from Crossfit competitions. If the triathlon organizers don't respect sanctions from other bodies then she would be 'free' to compete in other sports. Sad but true.

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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [TizzleDK] [ In reply to ]
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Although taking a banned substance is never okay and the ban is justified. It should be noted that what she took is a diet supplement to cut a few pounds so nothing that would affect her triathlon performance.
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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [craventri] [ In reply to ]
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Was it Luke P??

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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [BGildenstern] [ In reply to ]
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Clenbuterol is a steroid like chemical so not just a diet pill. It help raise the CNS and increases energy. Cyclists have been banned for this drug.

It is on the WADA banned list with no acceptable threshold: https://www.wada-ama.org/...ement-on-clenbuterol

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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [TizzleDK] [ In reply to ]
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Usually it's sanction from an doping agency that is then ineligible under all sports that follow that agency. I dont know if Crossfit follows official wada/usada sanctioning procedures or it has it's own "standards". But that's generally how doping control sports are governed.

Popped by a certified agency in 1 sport you are ineligible in all other sports that are governed by said doping agency.

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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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HAHAHA!!! LOVE IT!!!

What a loser - both of them!

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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [CPT Chaos] [ In reply to ]
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CPT Chaos wrote:
Clenbuterol is a steroid like chemical so not just a diet pill.

Jack

No. It's a beta agonist like albuterol. Has absolutely no relation to steroids. It can improve energy, reduce fatigue, reduce appetite, increase heart rate and blood pressure. These are features of just about any stimulant.
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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [craventri] [ In reply to ]
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This is the same drug, clenbuterol, that Contador got busted for during the 2010 TDF. He also claimed that it came from contaminated meat.
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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [RoostBooster] [ In reply to ]
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RoostBooster wrote:
CPT Chaos wrote:
Clenbuterol is a steroid like chemical so not just a diet pill.

Jack


No. It's a beta agonist like albuterol. Has absolutely no relation to steroids. It can improve energy, reduce fatigue, reduce appetite, increase heart rate and blood pressure. These are features of just about any stimulant.

No, its a lot more serious than albuterol. It is a "steroid-like" drug and promotes lean muscle mass growth and repair, weight loss without atrophy along with the stimulant properties. There is a reason there is a hard ban on it and not a threshold like other beta-agonist asthma drugs. Shes a cheat and Im sure this is a popular drug in a sport like Cross Fit.

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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [Jordano] [ In reply to ]
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Jordano wrote:
RoostBooster wrote:
CPT Chaos wrote:
Clenbuterol is a steroid like chemical so not just a diet pill.

Jack


No. It's a beta agonist like albuterol. Has absolutely no relation to steroids. It can improve energy, reduce fatigue, reduce appetite, increase heart rate and blood pressure. These are features of just about any stimulant.


No, its a lot more serious than albuterol. It is a "steroid-like" drug and promotes lean muscle mass growth and repair, weight loss without atrophy along with the stimulant properties. There is a reason there is a hard ban on it and not a threshold like other beta-agonist asthma drugs. Shes a cheat and Im sure this is a popular drug in a sport like Cross Fit.

It has some additional properties over and above other sympathomimetics, but it is not even remotely "steroid like" and most of that research that is quoted is in mice and other nonhuman models. The data is human is definitely not robust enough to make that claim.
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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [craventri] [ In reply to ]
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Serious enough that Crossfit gave her a 4 year ban
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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [craventri] [ In reply to ]
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Serious enough that it is banned in all sports under the WADA code.
It is performance enhancing enough that athletes risk bans to take it.
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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [chrisb12] [ In reply to ]
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Serious enough that we should take an athlete sanctioned for a banned substance in another sport competing in triathlon seriously. Right?

I mean, if this athlete had won an Ironman race I think the response here would be really different. Just because it's a local sprint doesn't mean that this woman (cheater?) didn't take a title away from fellow competitors.

Whether a substance is **bad scary steroid** or **just** a diet pill - it's still banned. And she received a BAN from her sport for using it. Why does this seem to not be a big deal to some of the folks responding here? I think it's a big deal (and it seems like chrisb and a few others do too).

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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [swim13] [ In reply to ]
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Hell yes. A cheat is a cheat is a cheat. She took it to get cut while building muscle strength and to give endurance benefits. This helps in ANY sport. well maybe not Archery and darts, but I don't count them as sport.(whole other thread)

found this on a cross fit site:
CrossFit adheres to the standards set by the World Anti-Doping Association (WADA) and will only grant a TUE in strict accordance with all of the criteria details in the Drug Policy. The use of a prohibited substance to increase “low-normal” levels of any endogenous hormone and the use of anabolic substance are not considered an acceptable therapeutic intervention.
CrossFit partners with Drug Free Sport, which conducts drug analysis for the NFL, NBA, MLB and NCAA, along with 300 other sports and athletic organizations, to administer its testing program. A laboratory approved by WADA processes blood and urine samples collected from CrossFit Games athletes.


I guess this means they follow the WADA code but aren't governed by WADA, not sure of the implications of this with WADA sports. can an NBA or NFL athlete serving a ban compete in other sport?


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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [RoostBooster] [ In reply to ]
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RoostBooster wrote:
Jordano wrote:
RoostBooster wrote:
CPT Chaos wrote:
Clenbuterol is a steroid like chemical so not just a diet pill.

Jack


No. It's a beta agonist like albuterol. Has absolutely no relation to steroids. It can improve energy, reduce fatigue, reduce appetite, increase heart rate and blood pressure. These are features of just about any stimulant.


No, its a lot more serious than albuterol. It is a "steroid-like" drug and promotes lean muscle mass growth and repair, weight loss without atrophy along with the stimulant properties. There is a reason there is a hard ban on it and not a threshold like other beta-agonist asthma drugs. Shes a cheat and Im sure this is a popular drug in a sport like Cross Fit.

It has some additional properties over and above other sympathomimetics, but it is not even remotely "steroid like" and most of that research that is quoted is in mice and other nonhuman models. The data is human is definitely not robust enough to make that claim.

I can tell you that clen definitely is used to build, and when dieting down hold on to lean muscle mass by a significant percentage of bodybuilders, both men and women. It works, and when speaking to people that use it, they have told me that the way it holds on to lean mass while dieting down is incredible. Validated by dexa scans across a significant sample size.

It had many similar 'benefits' to an anabolic steroid, but obviously nowhere near as 'strong' or potent in its efficacy
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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [TJP_SBR] [ In reply to ]
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Swim was short. I raced it. Swim distance was about 345 yards. A friend of mine was 4th OA female.
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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [rock] [ In reply to ]
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rock wrote:
RoostBooster wrote:
Jordano wrote:
RoostBooster wrote:
CPT Chaos wrote:
Clenbuterol is a steroid like chemical so not just a diet pill.

Jack


No. It's a beta agonist like albuterol. Has absolutely no relation to steroids. It can improve energy, reduce fatigue, reduce appetite, increase heart rate and blood pressure. These are features of just about any stimulant.


No, its a lot more serious than albuterol. It is a "steroid-like" drug and promotes lean muscle mass growth and repair, weight loss without atrophy along with the stimulant properties. There is a reason there is a hard ban on it and not a threshold like other beta-agonist asthma drugs. Shes a cheat and Im sure this is a popular drug in a sport like Cross Fit.


It has some additional properties over and above other sympathomimetics, but it is not even remotely "steroid like" and most of that research that is quoted is in mice and other nonhuman models. The data is human is definitely not robust enough to make that claim.


I can tell you that clen definitely is used to build, and when dieting down hold on to lean muscle mass by a significant percentage of bodybuilders, both men and women. It works, and when speaking to people that use it, they have told me that the way it holds on to lean mass while dieting down is incredible. Validated by dexa scans across a significant sample size.

It had many similar 'benefits' to an anabolic steroid, but obviously nowhere near as 'strong' or potent in its efficacy
Alberto Contador lost a few years and at least one TDF title from 'tainted meat from Spain.'
http://theconversation.com/...-is-clenbuterol-5246
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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [craventri] [ In reply to ]
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point of order: isn't 'crossfit doper' redundant?

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Re: Crossfit doper wins sprint tri [rock] [ In reply to ]
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rock wrote:
I can tell you that clen definitely is used to build, and when dieting down hold on to lean muscle mass by a significant percentage of bodybuilders, both men and women. It works, and when speaking to people that use it, they have told me that the way it holds on to lean mass while dieting down is incredible. Validated by dexa scans across a significant sample size.

It had many similar 'benefits' to an anabolic steroid, but obviously nowhere near as 'strong' or potent in its efficacy

The phrases I highlighted are true for many. Clenbuterol may not be a steroid but it is certainly a PED. Who may not benefit are those that stay lean naturally already, but to those trying to get down to a certain leanness or make a weight class and have to spend extra energy doing so it could be an advantage. Where the natural athlete has to have a much finer tuned calorie intake to lose the weight it could cost them in being fueled enough for training. There is a very fine line for these types to be fueled enough for progressive training load and lose weight at the same time.

dieting down hold on to lean muscle mass
Back in the day when it was hard to get Clenbuterol, those preparing for competition or to get leaner would use an ECA (ephedrine, caffiene, asprin) stack to get similar results until deaths started racking up. I personally have one death in my past circle from a fitness model that died of heart failure. It was said by a friend that she had just taken Clenbuterol. It was not accounted in her death, but that is what we speculate. I experienced several scary moments during the span of several years with high heart rate, but continued to use until it was too hard to get.

similar 'benefits' to an anabolic steroid
Again, the benefits are similar to how and why an anabolic steroid would be used in pre-contest. Bodybuilders, guys and gals, often switch from heavy androgenic type drugs to anabolic or "cutting drugs" as they were sometimes called. Drugs like Winstrol-V, Deca Durabolin, Anavar and others would help the person continue to train at a high level while dieting down. They retained less water than the androgens giving the person a more shredded look. Add Clenbuterol and now the lifter has to do less cardio to lose weight. Clenbuterol by itself could give a person the advantage in the overall pursuit of higher fitness by allowing the person to focus more on training and less on dieting. The natural athlete that struggles to lose weight has to manage training and dieting a lot more carefully and often they experience more training stress and fatigue as a result.

IMO - it is a very effective PED for some folk. Those that can get lean or stay lean because of genetics there is less benefit.
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