are you kidding? I think this is a no-brainer...Lance would absolutely destroy Stadler!

a critical distinction in your question:

would that be with, or without, PEDs ?

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PEDs for Lance or Stadler? Neither have ever tested postive before...

Stadler is a incredible biker. People really underestimate how strong the top triathlete bikers are.

What people don't realize is that the TdF is a team event. The best rider on a crappy team won't win the TdF. Lance was the best rider on the best team.

But a 112 mile time trial is just you against the road. I don't think it will be such a lopsided victory as you think.

I think Stadler would have a chance. Plus stadler's time is based on having already been in the water for 2.4 miles and saving energy for an under 3 hour marathon.

I agree - cycling is a team sport and Lance was on the best team, etc. But also keep in mind, Lance was one of the best, if not the best in the time trials.

But, Lance has never done a 112 mile time trial. Lance has fine-tuned his body for max performance in TTs under 40 miles. Now, the flip side is Lance knows how to use every drop in the tank. Norman would have to ride against his instincts and blow out his legs on the bike.

We will find out next year when Lance returns to tri and does his first IM ...

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dude. you are smoking crack if you think Stadler could ever beat Lance. I would be willing to bet that Lance TODAY would beat Norman in a flat out 112 mile TT.

Remember two years ago Stadler went to T-Mobile training camp and came away saying he was no where as fast as them and felt he was on the edge of injuring himself trying to keep up with those guys.

Right now you've got Chris Lieto as the 2nd best cyclist at IMH and he certainly isn't better then the best cyclists among domestic US cyclists.

Stadler just set the bike course record 4:18:23

Lance couldn't do that.

That's 26 mph. That is FAST!!!

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[reply]Stadler just set the bike course record 4:18:23

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Big deal. Did you know that the record for 100 miles is about 3:23, set by a guy who probably couldn't make a ProTour cycling team? That's about 29.3 mph. That guy could do 112 miles in under 3:50. Think Armstrong couldn't do that?

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

There would be no competition. You obviously don't bike race. 26 mph in a TT is warm-up pace for most top TT'ers.

From what i have observed, the difference in ave speed between a 25mile TT and 100mile TT for good TTers is 2-3mph. Assuming that Lance can ave >30mph for a rolling 25 mile TT, i would say Lance would still win.

Just as a point of reference, when Michael Rasmussen won that super long solo break away in the 2005 TdF (where he rode about 150km alone and took in 3 category climbs), his average speed for that stage was still ONLY 41km/h. And Rasmussen isn't even a TT specialist.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

I am strictly talking about a 112 mile time trial not making a pro team. Different skill sets.

It is like those long distance driver champions in golf, none of those guys would make the PGA tour but could all out drive Tiger Woods.

[reply]You obviously don't know what you are talking about.
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Obviously.

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dude. i'm sorry but you are wrong. there is a difference between your golf analagy and cycling. Norman is very strong, but for most bike races 112 miles is a regular training day. a guy like Lance with his engine could probably do it in about 4 hours without a rear problem.

while i know you tri-guys like to think that the Ironman bike ride is some sold of specialized skill - but seriously cycling really is about engine and efficiency and Lance is tops at both.

"It is like those long distance driver champions in golf, none of those guys would make the PGA tour but could all out drive Tiger Woods. "

Yup, it's exactly like that.

What a stupid question!!! Ridiculous

I believe Lance's 1999 sample come up positive.

No way! I like the Norminator, but I don't think it would be really close at all. Lance wins pretty easily. In fact, I doubt Stadler could beat many of the bottom rung TdF pro riders.

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You ask about Lance in his prime? He'd win rather easily, I'd wager. I don't agree, however, with the poster who says Lance would win today. He's put on quite a few lbs in the past year and a half.

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I don't think some of those british records are a good comparsion for ave speeds. Some of the guys that do those times has not been able to average much more in UCI TT worlds for 1/4th the distance. Speed is dependent on so many factors and considering Kona probably doesn't have the fastest conditions 4:18 after a swim and with a marathon run is really really good. Having said that of course there's no way any triathlete, even Normann, that would stand a chance against the top pro tour guys.

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No way....Stadler is much faster than pro riders who have done Ironman

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Exactly there have been former TdF riders who have done ironman races and Stadler has the record.

Explain that.