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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [ALG] [ In reply to ]
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Haven't seen anybody drafting so far, apart from maybe Long right now. Hope they watch those two closely and don't let them draft off each other.
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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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I think the most important thing I’ve learned is that we are such a prime and proper sport that this “trash talk” that Is 100% PG level “trash talk” has led us to lose our mind. That’s how “respectful” and mute we are with our personalities. A little color added every now and then I think will have very little drawback. There was very very little “personal” attacks being said (I still don’t know when or in what context the “slang” was said….i haven’t seen that video and I’m still a little unsure what slang was said, I’ve not really followed the comments on here in that specific context).

DF just super impressive.

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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [ALG] [ In reply to ]
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Aaron Royle setting up for a breakout year?

Diabolo wrote:
Haven't seen anybody drafting so far, apart from maybe Long right now. Hope they watch those two closely and don't let them draft off each other.

They're all drafting at points it seems. But even a 20m zone still gives a benefit. Women's match 1 was definitely "in zone". But obviously not within 10.

What was the study with a moto that showed at 40m behind a motorcycle you still got 10% of a benefit?

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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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TheStroBro wrote:
Aaron Royle setting up for a breakout year?

Sort of, you're talking about someone who was under23 world champion!
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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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I think the most important thing I’ve learned is that we are such a prime and proper sport that this “trash talk” that Is 100% PG level “trash talk” has led us to lose our mind. That’s how “respectful” and mute we are with our personalities. A little color added every now and then I think will have very little drawback. There was very very little “personal” attacks being said (I still don’t know when or in what context the “slang” was said….i haven’t seen that video and I’m still a little unsure what slang was said, I’ve not really followed the comments on here in that specific context).

DF just super impressive.

100% agreed.

Also, I wonder what Lionel's effective CdA is? He snakes and moves his head so much. We all have our own quirks, but I have always wondered why aero discipline isn't practiced. We see pro tour riders do the same thing and its not at all unique to him, but looking at Long, Laidlow or hell, even Spirig who is on her TT bike for maybe (?) the first time ever, they are so still throughout the effort.
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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [turdburgler] [ In reply to ]
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turdburgler wrote:


100% agreed.

Also, I wonder what Lionel's effective CdA is? He snakes and moves his head so much. We all have our own quirks, but I have always wondered why aero discipline isn't practiced. We see pro tour riders do the same thing and its not at all unique to him, but looking at Long, Laidlow or hell, even Spirig who is on her TT bike for maybe (?) the first time ever, they are so still throughout the effort.


For all those quirks, he's just incredible.

B_Doughtie wrote:
I think the most important thing I’ve learned is that we are such a prime and proper sport that this “trash talk” that Is 100% PG level “trash talk” has led us to lose our mind. That’s how “respectful” and mute we are with our personalities. A little color added every now and then I think will have very little drawback. There was very very little “personal” attacks being said (I still don’t know when or in what context the “slang” was said….i haven’t seen that video and I’m still a little unsure what slang was said, I’ve not really followed the comments on here in that specific context).

DF just super impressive.


Well, the sport is basically just white collar from amateur to pro. To be good at this sport requires a lot of resources most people don't have or don't want to invest in. But most pros also really don't come from backgrounds of significant hardship. Sanders is one of the few people with an actual story. That's why he has so many fans that are loyal to him.

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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [turdburgler] [ In reply to ]
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2:37 ahead for Laidlow (don’t know how far into the bike).

With the run what under an hour, 90s has to be the gap for T2 likely.

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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [ALG] [ In reply to ]
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Blu has hit the front at 33.1 miles +12 sec over Kanute, +29 over Wilde.
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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [ALG] [ In reply to ]
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Blummenfelt not pushing yet on the bike it seems. If it ends up being close between EUR and Int he may need to get as close to the 6 points as possible, but the run is too short for that.

so far europe looks pretty safe especially with spirig killing it . only matthews seems to be a bit underperforming but should still run well enough to come 2nd .
ryt looks like she is getting even a bonus point on duffy
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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [DavidC] [ In reply to ]
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I didn’t think Kanute had a chance especially on the run but how Kanute raced this was exactly how I hoped he would (seems he swam w them and not trying to break them).

Granted I think he’ll fall off on the run but I think his race strategy has been good for being an “sacrificial” spot.

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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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I didn’t think Kanute had a chance especially on the run but how Kanute raced this was exactly how I hoped he would (seems he swam w them and not trying to break them).

Granted I think he’ll fall off on the run but I think his race strategy has been good for being an “sacrificial” spot.

I'd agree that Ben's had a bit of a rough year, but the guy's palmares is pretty outstanding. I think the 100k distance is good for him.

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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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TheStroBro wrote:
turdburgler wrote:


100% agreed.

Also, I wonder what Lionel's effective CdA is? He snakes and moves his head so much. We all have our own quirks, but I have always wondered why aero discipline isn't practiced. We see pro tour riders do the same thing and its not at all unique to him, but looking at Long, Laidlow or hell, even Spirig who is on her TT bike for maybe (?) the first time ever, they are so still throughout the effort.


For all those quirks, he's just incredible.


No doubt. Its why he is compelling. His drive and talent is first rate and the endless quirks always make you wonder how good he just could be "if/then." He is probably the only athlete I can think of that I like so much, yet question so much regarding to how he comes to certain decisions.

Let's talk about Ryf today. I wonder how she may have been if pushed competitively against Wellington. If she had that competitive challenger in Wellington and was using Wellington's same methods, how would they end up? I think Ryf would win. How fast could Spirig go with dialed in TT bikes and super low CdA? How fast can Charles and Matthews push the envelope? I think Lucy has the potential to do the fastest times with her swim, watts and low CdA and strong run. Lets hope she stays healthy from here on out so we can see what is possible.

There is so much compelling stuff going on. I am liking this kind of racing and discourse.

Edit: I hope Spirig loved that TT bike ride today and saw the value in it then races for a few more years. :)
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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [DavidC] [ In reply to ]
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Laidlow lost 40 secs to Long and Sanders between 30.2 and 33.1 miles. Gap around 1:33.
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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [DavidC] [ In reply to ]
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DavidC wrote:
Laidlow lost 40 secs to Long and Sanders between 30.2 and 33.1 miles. Gap around 1:33.

He went out really hard. Had the fasted time in the field through 33 miles. I think me might realize it’s not sustainable if he wants to run decent.
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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [turdburgler] [ In reply to ]
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Bird is back and healthy. Think she'll be en forme for Kona.

Charles will race Samorin tomorrow we'll see what her first form off injury is like.

Paula is leading the match with Matthews (who is third in the match right now), so when does Findlay make the transition to 140.6 and what will she do there? At this distance (and 70.3) it's clear that she is a weapon when fit.

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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [Cup] [ In reply to ]
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How about Gentle Ash? She is blazing fast out there after another great swim. I think she has found her distance. Let's see how she holds on.
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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [DavidC] [ In reply to ]
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Match 8 is getting juicy, looks like under 60s at t2

Spirig and holly, till now, are justifying their pick

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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [iron_mike] [ In reply to ]
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Yes but not against the 2 he’s racing thus my “sacrificial” comment. He could actually have a great overall time for the day but that won’t matter due to the format.

I can’t remember what year it was but in golf one year. One player shot 67 and the other shot 70 yet the guy who shot 67 lost by 2 holes.

So this format can cause actual good performance fi be overshadowed for the points system.

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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [turdburgler] [ In reply to ]
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How about Gentle Ash? She is blazing fast out there after another great swim. I think she has found her distance. Let's see how she holds on.

Spirig overall time through 3.3 miles was 30 second faster than Gentle. Crazy impressive from her. Would love to see her do Kona. Isn’t she 1/1 in Ironmans?
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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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Bird is back and healthy. Think she'll be en forme for Kona.

Charles will race Samorin tomorrow we'll see what her first form off injury is like.

Paula is leading the match with Matthews (who is third in the match right now), so when does Findlay make the transition to 140.6 and what will she do there? At this distance (and 70.3) it's clear that she is a weapon when fit.

I hope Paula stays fast and doesn't step up (she has indicated in the past it is not her preference). Stay fast and have some fun for now at least. I think Matthews is probably a bit done in from world champs and the 140.6 thing + covid. I'm not surprised really as this is a lot to ask from an athlete.
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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [Cup] [ In reply to ]
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I think Kanute is going to have a tough run. 37.8 miles only 37 sec behind Blummenfelt. Wilde starting to fade +1:31.
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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [DavidC] [ In reply to ]
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Through 37.8 miles for the first 6 through from the first 2 mens races the total spread is only 1:30.
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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [turdburgler] [ In reply to ]
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The push to go to IM when your a successful middle distance athlete is always a bit head scratcher to me. Become a 70.3 specialist, absolutely nothing wrong with that, especially if IM doesn’t “excite” you (which I’ve always heard was the case, w/ Paula).

Especially with races like CC, there is no real pressure or need to move up. Plenty 70 distance races to make a living off of.

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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [cxrider] [ In reply to ]
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No drafting .
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Re: Collins Cup - Selections for INT, USA and EUR teams [Gearup] [ In reply to ]
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Alright boys and girls the catch is soon to be happening!

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