The Vflow is John's original cutout saddle. The Plus was designed as a way to make a nosed-saddle that "rode" the same (sort of) as an ISM, but without some of the inherent problems that John saw in a split nose design - independent flex of each prong and the constraints on how narrow you could make the saddle to name the two big ones.

Neither one is "better." My wife, for example, preferred the original VFlow. Many people prefer the Maxx, which is the latest creation. The Plus seems to split the difference between the two, and there are some people that swear by it.

If you like a more "traditional" saddle, but with a cutout, get the VFlow.

If you've tried the ISM and liked some things about it but overall found it just a bit too different, get the Plus.

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I am not experienced enough on a TT bike to give advice and saddle choices are unique to the individual, but I will say that I rolled the dice on a Vflow Plus and it turned out well. I have Fizik Arione on 3 road bikes so that has been my favorite for a number of years and many miles. When I am really producing good power output I end up on the nose of the Fizik. I thought the way the nose of the Vflow Plus looked that I would be up on the nose, but the guy that fitted me on the TT bike did much like what is listed on Cobb's web site with the nose tilted up a hair. That has me sitting back in the saddle. It was an odd feeling at first, but has been comfortable every mile so far. I once read that if at any point during a ride that your saddle comes to mind you have the wrong saddle or you are fitted wrong. The saddle should disappear from all your thoughts and for me this saddle has.

Being a fan of Fizik because of the narrow shape, which I liked because my hamstrings do not touch the saddle I was concerned that the Vflow series looked wider. The guy that built up my bike and a fit specialist had all of Cobb's saddles in stock so I was able to compare the Fizik shape to each. The Vflow was not as wide as it had appeared in pictures that I saw on the web. It may be a touch more wide, but barely. My hamstrings and inner thighs are not rubbing on the saddle.

So what was a surprise to me now that I have done several fairly long training rides is that regardless of intensity I sit in one spot on the saddle and do not creep up on the nose as intensity goes up. The saddle and the fit seem to have worked out perfectly for me. I believe Cobb offers a fairly long trial period if you decide it is not the right saddle.

They all were 95% nirvana to me, Max maybe a bit more. Then I tried Adamo and while a bit of a pain to get dialed in it was pure heaven.

You really can't lose with the 180 day guarantee....home run.

Thanks Rappstar. As Tigerpaws mentioned below its tough to argue with the 180 day guarantee.