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Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [desert dude]
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Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [bretzky]
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bretzky wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:
thatzone wrote:
-170 cranks
He goes into this in depth at 8:55 here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOn4zGoZ8Rg
I took that segment as complete joke. Is Lou Frerrigno really his coach? Nothing against Lou, but this isn't about lifting huge amounts of weight. It is to fix imbalances, work on mobility, reduce injury risk, and promote balance among other things. I do thank you for sharing though.
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Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [marcag]
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He could just review the three hundred slowtwitch threads about him, and benefit from the wisdom of the crowds.
More than enough 'experts' here.
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Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [Brandes]
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Brandes wrote:
I'm glad you found this. As thoughtful as what people make him out to be, he's really always behind the curve regardless of all of the knowledge around him. He goes to the velodrome and gets this done... and then later he disregards the changes made because he felt he wasn't low enough and "wasn't using enough of his glutes" so he just slams the front end. Now this latest video comes out and he's going to make all these new changes... and because Jan runs Speedplays i'm going to run Speedplays now. Soon it will be something else... There doesn't seem to be any consistencies, just impulsive decisions. My 2 cents.
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Responding in general.... Lionel went to the velodrome and worked with Andy after kona 2015.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THupWtBb-A8
Go to ~7:30 into the video.
If he now feels that he needs to rework his bike (again), I am really wondering what the hell he has been doing/thinking since he went to the velodrome.
The real question is if he goes to speedplay pedals what Power Meter is he going to use. He's been on the Powertap pedals if I am not mistaken ....
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Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [PushThePace]
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Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [Sean H]
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Sean H wrote:
I was assuming PT hub since he mentioned the vision aero cranks, but that will create training issues since he's a wahoo kickr guy too. Edit: but guess he’ll probably still use the pt pedals during training, don’t know.
Maybe he'll get one of those iBike Newton+ ... I've heard they are what Jan uses LOL
All jokes aside it will be interesting to see what he ends up with. Do G3 hubs work with HED Disc? Maybe the chain ring ones are an option?
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Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [PushThePace]
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You can order the Jet Disc with a Powertap hub. Remove logos (if there are any) and nobody would know you've got a powermeter in there...
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Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [tessar]
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I wonder if he should also order a bag of Frodo's coffee online when he's shopping for the new pedals
Says its "Jan Frodenos secrete recipe"
https://www.ryzon.net/...ts/frodissimo-kaffee
Says its "Jan Frodenos secrete recipe"
https://www.ryzon.net/...ts/frodissimo-kaffee
Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [y_nigel]
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y_nigel wrote:
I wonder if he should also order a bag of Frodo's coffee online when he's shopping for the new pedals Says its "Jan Frodenos secrete recipe"
https://www.ryzon.net/...ts/frodissimo-kaffee
haha, ok now THAT is funny.
Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [Thomas Gerlach]
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He mentioned in one of his videos a while back that he doesn't do strength training because he's afraid of putting on muscle/weight. Not sure if this changed since then?
Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [trimac2]
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trimac2 wrote:
He mentioned in one of his videos a while back that he doesn't do strength training because he's afraid of putting on muscle/weight. Not sure if this changed since then?Sounds about right.
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Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [trimac2]
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trimac2 wrote:
He mentioned in one of his videos a while back that he doesn't do strength training because he's afraid of putting on muscle/weight. Not sure if this changed since then?This is like telling women not to train because she'll change their shape...what an absolute uneducated person.
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Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [TheStroBro]
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What IF his strength came from WITHIN EACH SPORT? Boooom
Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [y_nigel]
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Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [jkhayc]
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Be interesting the see the structure of Jan's support team. Lots of corporate $ there and I'm not so sure things are as innocent as we like to believe, in regards to preparation.
Which makes Lionel's run-up all the more incredible.
Lionel's team is too thin. You need a team director and build out duties from there. Way more complex is an F1 team but elements of that can be replaced with people. Lionel would slot in as the driver.
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Which makes Lionel's run-up all the more incredible.
Lionel's team is too thin. You need a team director and build out duties from there. Way more complex is an F1 team but elements of that can be replaced with people. Lionel would slot in as the driver.
Training Tweets: https://twitter.com/Jagersport_com
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Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [y_nigel]
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I had a Frodissmo cappuccino at Kona. Honestly one of the best I’ve ever had....
Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [SharkFM]
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I guess this is the strength of the team? I bet Bahrain Endurance 13 has these kinds of resources. Be interesting to get a look under the hood at least.
Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [imswimmer328]
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Honestly, this would be a great job. Supporting a fully committed, talented athlete in achieving their goals would be extremely cool.
Designing parts around sponsorship constraints, testing, iterating designs, etc. Mental preparation, as well.
It might be tough to afford a different specialist for each sport for anyone outside of the top 10 or so athletes.
That said, I would really love to see a super talented, unsponsored athlete choose their equipment entirely on merit.
Designing parts around sponsorship constraints, testing, iterating designs, etc. Mental preparation, as well.
It might be tough to afford a different specialist for each sport for anyone outside of the top 10 or so athletes.
That said, I would really love to see a super talented, unsponsored athlete choose their equipment entirely on merit.
Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [chicanery]
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chicanery wrote:
Honestly, this would be a great job. Supporting a fully committed, talented athlete in achieving their goals would be extremely cool. Designing parts around sponsorship constraints, testing, iterating designs, etc. Mental preparation, as well.
It might be tough to afford a different specialist for each sport for anyone outside of the top 10 or so athletes.
That said, I would really love to see a super talented, unsponsored athlete choose their equipment entirely on merit.
Obviously Lionel has taken a self-directed approach but I don't think that has been ideal. Ultimately you are after priority management and $$ :). I'd probably start with this agile team and positions don't have to be full time. You need the race data on each event, then analyze potential gains and where to move time to realize those gains. So this idea of going at the bike out of Oceanside, might be true, might not. In any case, you could offload all the bike stuff to your engineer and then go to work with the run coach.
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Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [chicanery]
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chicanery wrote:
That said, I would really love to see a super talented, unsponsored athlete choose their equipment entirely on merit.Just picking a frame from the 6 or 8 mainstream superbikes would be an expensive and time consuming process. Think about the aero shootout Kiley and friends did and then multiply that by wheel and front end changes (I think that would cover the main aerodynamics of the bicycle at least).
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Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [chicanery]
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chicanery wrote:
Honestly, this would be a great job. Supporting a fully committed, talented athlete in achieving their goals would be extremely cool. Designing parts around sponsorship constraints, testing, iterating designs, etc. Mental preparation, as well.
It might be tough to afford a different specialist for each sport for anyone outside of the top 10 or so athletes.
That said, I would really love to see a super talented, unsponsored athlete choose their equipment entirely on merit.
I'm pretty sure that the mens Kona bike record and run record were both recorded on unsponsored equipment. I don't think Cameron Wurf had a bike sponsor last year, and I'm pretty sure Patrick Lange wasn't sponsored by New Balance in 2016.
Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [stevej]
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stevej wrote:
I hear Jan is starting to use power cranks and velotrons.
Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [Daniel Clarke]
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Lange ran in Newtons in 2016, but wasn't sponsored. His performance in 2016 earned him that New Balance sponsorship
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Re: Changes coming for Lionel's Equipment [Timtek]
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[quote]Just picking a frame from the 6 or 8 mainstream superbikes would be an expensive and time consuming process. Think about the aero shootout Kiley and friends did and then multiply that by wheel and front end changes (I think that would cover the main aerodynamics of the bicycle at least). [/quote]
Wheels are wheels for the most part, that makes that more simple right there. IMO I'd be more concerned about braking performance then which wheel is faster.
There aren't 6 or 8 main stream super bikes worth considering. You can narrow that list to at most 6. Out of those 6 maybe 4 are going to be willing to part with some cash worthy enough to really consider.
It would be pretty easy to do, well the testing anyway. I already know how I'd design it to yield the best aka fastest answers.
The pre-testing work.....that's where your soul gets sucked out.
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Wheels are wheels for the most part, that makes that more simple right there. IMO I'd be more concerned about braking performance then which wheel is faster.
There aren't 6 or 8 main stream super bikes worth considering. You can narrow that list to at most 6. Out of those 6 maybe 4 are going to be willing to part with some cash worthy enough to really consider.
It would be pretty easy to do, well the testing anyway. I already know how I'd design it to yield the best aka fastest answers.
The pre-testing work.....that's where your soul gets sucked out.
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desert dude wrote:
There aren't 6 or 8 main stream super bikes worth considering. You can narrow that list to at most 6. Out of those 6 maybe 4 are going to be willing to part with some cash worthy enough to really consider.
To tick all the boxes I'd want to test: Canyon Speedmax, Speed Concept, P5x, P5 rim brake, QR PR6 disc, PR6 rim brake, Scott Plasma 5, BMC Timemachine, Felt IA, Pinerello Bolide TT. Disc or rim brakes on the Cervelo or QR could be eliminated easily with some research but what about the others?
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