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Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts
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Looks like there are going to be some angry Slowtwitchers!

http://www.ironman.com/...e.aspx#axzz2SnyxkCEv

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Re: Change to Ironman North American Swim Starts [tdschnei] [ In reply to ]
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Wow. Self seeding. Streaming starts. Waves. All three will be used at the full distance. I also noticed the below 52 degrees and above 88 degrees change. That would mean CdA will always be a potential short swim or no swim at all. Yikes.
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Re: Change to Ironman North American Swim Starts [tdschnei] [ In reply to ]
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IRONMAN Florida will feature a mass start based on self-seeding. Athletes will self-seed into swim start corrals based upon their estimated swim finish time. All athletes will have the traditional 17 hours to complete the entire event (subject to intermediate cutoffs).

How is this any different than what they have been doing? It's been a mass start and you seed yourself wherever you want.
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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [tdschnei] [ In reply to ]
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I am a happier slowtwitcher. I like the self-select seeding idea. Hopefully most people at the IM distance won't have eyes bigger than their stomachs, this will facilitate faster times for all, and more drafting opportunity.

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Re: Change to Ironman North American Swim Starts [LSUfan4444] [ In reply to ]
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LSUfan4444 wrote:
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IRONMAN Florida will feature a mass start based on self-seeding. Athletes will self-seed into swim start corrals based upon their estimated swim finish time. All athletes will have the traditional 17 hours to complete the entire event (subject to intermediate cutoffs).


How is this any different than what they have been doing? It's been a mass start and you seed yourself wherever you want.

It sounds like they will be better organized. I think they are going to organize you into groups before you enter the water. Or rather you organize your self into which group has a similar finish time.


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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [tdschnei] [ In reply to ]
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I am doing IM Mont Tremblant and the press release says that it is a standard wave start (just like they do at the 70.3 there). No big deal at all. Should break up some of the drafting in the first 60k of the bike course. Great change

Dev
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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [tdschnei] [ In reply to ]
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I'm a little disappointed by this announcement. I should qualify that statement by saying I've never taken part in a mass start, IMMT was going to be my first this year, but watching videos of it was part of the lure for me. Maybe I would be singing a different tune if I had actually taken part in one though.
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Re: Change to Ironman North American Swim Starts [LSUfan4444] [ In reply to ]
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LSUfan4444 wrote:
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IRONMAN Florida will feature a mass start based on self-seeding. Athletes will self-seed into swim start corrals based upon their estimated swim finish time. All athletes will have the traditional 17 hours to complete the entire event (subject to intermediate cutoffs).


How is this any different than what they have been doing? It's been a mass start and you seed yourself wherever you want.

I read it as self seeding outside of the swim start - out of the water. Then a control filter through the arch to start your swim. Probably like 5-6 per second crossing the line to start the swim. The first few rows can run into the water and the rest will be walking in depending on the location. It will be interesting how they do this in Lake Placid when the swim loop is not two identical loops, the second loop is longer as you have to go around the dock.
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Re: Change to Ironman North American Swim Starts [RobAllen] [ In reply to ]
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RobAllen wrote:
LSUfan4444 wrote:
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IRONMAN Florida will feature a mass start based on self-seeding. Athletes will self-seed into swim start corrals based upon their estimated swim finish time. All athletes will have the traditional 17 hours to complete the entire event (subject to intermediate cutoffs).


How is this any different than what they have been doing? It's been a mass start and you seed yourself wherever you want.


I read it as self seeding outside of the swim start - out of the water. Then a control filter through the arch to start your swim. Probably like 5-6 per second crossing the line to start the swim. The first few rows can run into the water and the rest will be walking in depending on the location. It will be interesting how they do this in Lake Placid when the swim loop is not two identical loops, the second loop is longer as you have to go around the dock.

That's probably one of the reasons why they're switching to a clockwise swim at LP. Both laps finishing around the dock.

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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [tdschnei] [ In reply to ]
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WTC you should be ashamed of yourself. You just took a dump on the hole sport. Wow, I think FINA should eliminate starting off blocks, well it is dangerous.....how about all those other sports, bobsled, OMG that is too fast.....Makes me want to throw up.
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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [clarkoe] [ In reply to ]
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clarkoe wrote:
I'm a little disappointed by this announcement. I should qualify that statement by saying I've never taken part in a mass start, IMMT was going to be my first this year, but watching videos of it was part of the lure for me. Maybe I would be singing a different tune if I had actually taken part in one though.

I was also upset based on the fact that I've never done a mass start either... until I read that IMLT will still have a mass start just with self seeding corrals (or whatever they called it).

I just hate age group wave starts. Not only do you have to wait around for 10, 20, 30 minutes but once you do start you have an endless amount of people who suck at swimming in front of you.


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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [urbantriathlete] [ In reply to ]
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urbantriathlete wrote:
, this will facilitate faster times for all, and more drafting opportunity.


ABSOLUTELY!

but $20 says that the a-hole swimming 2hrs is going to seed himself at the front...

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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [urbantriathlete] [ In reply to ]
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urbantriathlete wrote:
I am a happier slowtwitcher. I like the self-select seeding idea. Hopefully most people at the IM distance won't have eyes bigger than their stomachs, this will facilitate faster times for all, and more drafting opportunity.

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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [tdschnei] [ In reply to ]
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What I don't get is why implement a "pilot" program and the North American Championship?!?!? They should have two amateur waves....competitive and friendly. Competitive is eligible for awards, Kona, premes, etc. Friendly is not. Friendly goes off ~5min after competitive. Only the slowest swimmers would get caught on a two loop course...and it wouldn't be a swarm at that point...just a handful of the best swimmers.

Glad to see they are going to attempt to permit a warm up.
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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [tdschnei] [ In reply to ]
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How will they handle the finish? Will the cutoff be midnight or 17 hours? There could be athletes finishing after midnight, but still under 17 hours. How will they handle that?
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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [TimBikeToo] [ In reply to ]
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THIS
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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [atasic] [ In reply to ]
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atasic wrote:
WTC you should be ashamed of yourself. You just took a dump on the hole sport. Wow, I think FINA should eliminate starting off blocks, well it is dangerous.....how about all those other sports, bobsled, OMG that is too fast.....Makes me want to throw up.

Very reasonable comparisons

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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [tdschnei] [ In reply to ]
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This is just WTC making a PR bullshit move. There is zero evidence that the different types of swim starts do anything to improve swimmer safety. People have died in both mass start and TT start formats. If you're worried about the swim start at the back.

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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [tdschnei] [ In reply to ]
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tdschnei wrote:
atasic wrote:
WTC you should be ashamed of yourself. You just took a dump on the hole sport. Wow, I think FINA should eliminate starting off blocks, well it is dangerous.....how about all those other sports, bobsled, OMG that is too fast.....Makes me want to throw up.


Very reasonable comparisons

Yeah, I know....:)
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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [tdschnei] [ In reply to ]
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IT'S ALL BECAUSE MOST TRIATHLETES (SELF-PROCLAIMED MOPers and BOPers) REALLY SUCK BAD AT SWIMMING....

They are also will have, "Anchored Resting Rafts".... seriously??? Why not have a sunbathing deck as well on it. They are doing all this to, "reduce the anxiety in the water for triathlete". How about this, I know it's radical and somewhat crazy but please hear me out, have them ACTUALLY TRAIN IN THE POOL AND OPEN WATER SWIMMING. God forbid, that would mean Endurance Nation would have to swim over the winter months.... oh NO.

So, as long as triathletes, most of you reading of course, learn to swim better, then expect the races to dummy down to the majority. Eventually, swimming in triathlons will be non-existant and a thing of the past. It will be substituted with kayaking. Mark my words, you suck triathletes are ruining the sport.

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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [PeterP] [ In reply to ]
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So the people that actually take their swim training seriously have to deal with weaving through the slower traffic and waste more energy? Nice. I wonder if they will institute floating aid stations next?

More watering down of the Ironman.
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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [PeterP] [ In reply to ]
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PeterP wrote:
How will they handle the finish? Will the cutoff be midnight or 17 hours? There could be athletes finishing after midnight, but still under 17 hours. How will they handle that?

Everybody that crosses the finish before midnight gets a medal, hat and shirt. Then they look at individual times, and if you are over 17 hours your official time is DNF.
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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [fatbastard] [ In reply to ]
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fatbastard wrote:
So the people that actually take their swim training seriously have to deal with weaving through the slower traffic and waste more energy? Nice. I wonder if they will institute floating aid stations next?

More watering down of the Ironman.

They do have a floating resting raft now in the article. Btw, I don't weave through the slower traffic.... I swim over the slow F@cks, I may vern a little bit but for the most part I take a direct line buoy to buoy. Learn to swim Pikers...
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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [tdschnei] [ In reply to ]
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tdschnei wrote:
atasic wrote:
WTC you should be ashamed of yourself. You just took a dump on the hole sport. Wow, I think FINA should eliminate starting off blocks, well it is dangerous.....how about all those other sports, bobsled, OMG that is too fast.....Makes me want to throw up.


Very reasonable comparisons

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Re: Change to North American Ironman Swim Starts [tdschnei] [ In reply to ]
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So the way I read it, IMFL will still be a mass start? Everyone will just line up in order of how fast they think they can swim? For most people, not a big change as most slower swimmers typically line up towards the back of the pack anyway? I'm obviously missing something?
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