Challenge Roth, WTC take note

Jun 3, 14 10:20

Post #1 of 45 (10927 views)

Cut off times:

Swimming: 2:10 hours
Swimming and cycling: 9:30 hours
Swimming, cycling and running: 15:00 hours

Each athlete who indicates that he or she intends to finish in less than 9 hours in his/her application and really succeeds, will be reimbursed the start fee, except for a � 99 service charge, and will get a special finisher shirt at the finish-line."

Give incentive to go faster!

In other news my wife is doing this race, she signed up 8 weeks out. 2:50 is her best olympic, she did a sprint in 1:12 before (half oly) but ever since a bike wreck in first oly tri she is scared to go above 20mph. Barely swimming, she does about 2:30 pace. Im worried about her reaching cut offs. I have her doing minimum work of 1k swim everyday with technique work, 20 miles of bike with long rides on weekend. 7-20 miles of run per day. She just ran a 3:16 marathon on hilly course so that is where most of her fitness will be coming from. I think the slowness on the bike could be her fit too... one of the first QR tri bikes, prior bike she had was a bike I built for her where she could do 20mph with forward seat post and clip on bars. Unfortunately it was stolen.

Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [synthetic] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 11:41

Post #2 of 45 (10810 views)

synthetic wrote:

Cut off times:

Swimming: 2:10 hours
Swimming and cycling: 9:30 hours
Swimming, cycling and running: 15:00 hours

Each athlete who indicates that he or she intends to finish in less than 9 hours in his/her application and really succeeds, will be reimbursed the start fee, except for a � 99 service charge, and will get a special finisher shirt at the finish-line."

Here we go again....

Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [synthetic] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 11:44

Post #3 of 45 (10795 views)

Well it easy to cut the finish time down on a course that fast.

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Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [synthetic] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 11:45

Post #4 of 45 (10793 views)

synthetic wrote:

Each athlete who indicates that he or she intends to finish in less than 9 hours in his/her application and really succeeds, will be reimbursed the start fee, except for a � 99 service charge, and will get a special finisher shirt at the finish-line."

Give incentive to go faster!

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Sooo your saying that if someone has the ability to go Sub 9, they would not at a WTC event because they don't get a special tshirt? Really? That makes no sense to me. Plus how many people can go sub 9 anyway? I guess I generally think people go as fast as they can regardless...

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Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [coopdog] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 11:50

Post #5 of 45 (10774 views)

Actually from an AG perspective, I bet Roth has more some 9 finishes then any other 140.6 event. Did I mention the course is stupid fast (and I suspect short)?

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Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 11:52

Post #6 of 45 (10761 views)

I get that it is a fast course...but really why would anyone need any more incentive for going fast than just going fast? In other words if you are fast enough to go sub 9, why wouldn't you??

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Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [coopdog] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 11:54

Post #7 of 45 (10746 views)

coopdog wrote:

I get that it is a fast course...but really why would anyone need any more incentive for going fast than just going fast? In other words if you are fast enough to go sub 9, why wouldn't you??

I know they have given out the shirts for years, this race entry refund might be a newer addition to try and get more entries.

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Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 12:00

Post #8 of 45 (10728 views)

Bryancd wrote:

coopdog wrote:

I get that it is a fast course...but really why would anyone need any more incentive for going fast than just going fast? In other words if you are fast enough to go sub 9, why wouldn't you??

I know they have given out the shirts for years, this race entry refund might be a newer addition to try and get more entries.

Now that make sense....the OP seemed to think it was an incentive to go fast....cause unless I get a t-shit, my ass is dogging it...

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Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [synthetic] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 12:19

Post #9 of 45 (10657 views)

I always thought it would be pretty cool to have different finisher medals for different levels of accomplishment, like Comardes Marathon. It could be gold for sub 9, silver for sub 13 and bronze for sub 17.

Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [sinkinswimmer] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 12:34

Post #10 of 45 (10600 views)

sinkinswimmer wrote:

I always thought it would be pretty cool to have different finisher medals for different levels of accomplishment, like Comardes Marathon. It could be gold for sub 9, silver for sub 13 and bronze for sub 17.

yes our reward system in triathlon and running system needs to change.

If people say roth is so easy and fast ... why arent there just as many if not more records broken in florida and arizona?? I would say that the european pool has more talent, and its just the psychological effect that if you are in a mix with faster people you will perform better - giving a high amount of good race results at roth.

Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [coopdog] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 12:36

Post #11 of 45 (10595 views)

the refund exists at least since 2006

Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [synthetic] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 12:48

Post #12 of 45 (10557 views)

synthetic wrote:

sinkinswimmer wrote:

If people say roth is so easy and fast ... why arent there just as many if not more records broken in florida and arizona?? I would say that the european pool has more talent, and its just the psychological effect that if you are in a mix with faster people you will perform better - giving a high amount of good race results at roth.

Yeah, that HAS to be the reason. Wow, thanks.

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Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 12:55

Post #13 of 45 (10535 views)

FYI, last year 39 people and or teams finished sub 9. So I would say not many AG did.

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Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [synthetic] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 12:58

Post #14 of 45 (10520 views)

Here's the thing thou, WTC does not need to take note of anything until their races stop selling out (yes I know some 140.6 races sell out slower or not at all)

Until their current business model doesn't give them the ROI they want they have zero incentive to change a thing.

That's just the way it is

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Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [synthetic] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 13:21

Post #15 of 45 (10454 views)

The time limits are well known when you sign up (or you should have read them).
No excuses.

Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [coopdog] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 13:35

Post #16 of 45 (10419 views)

coopdog wrote:

I get that it is a fast course...but really why would anyone need any more incentive for going fast than just going fast? In other words if you are fast enough to go sub 9, why wouldn't you??

Seems like its less an incentive and more of a reward. There's a difference...

Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 13:52

Post #17 of 45 (10384 views)

NordicSkier wrote:

The time limits are well known when you sign up (or you should have read them).
No excuses.

I knew about the time limits, just figured I show why the challenge series is better (competitive vs completitive). I did not know about the sub 9 refund policy.

Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [synthetic] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 14:07

Post #18 of 45 (10345 views)

synthetic wrote:

sinkinswimmer wrote:

I always thought it would be pretty cool to have different finisher medals for different levels of accomplishment, like Comardes Marathon. It could be gold for sub 9, silver for sub 13 and bronze for sub 17.

yes our reward system in triathlon and running system needs to change.

If people say roth is so easy and fast ... why arent there just as many if not more records broken in florida and arizona?? I would say that the european pool has more talent, and its just the psychological effect that if you are in a mix with faster people you will perform better - giving a high amount of good race results at roth.

39 people went sub-9 at Roth last year. 37 went sub-9 at IM Florida. So much for a deeper talent pool.

Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [synthetic] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 14:10

Post #19 of 45 (10331 views)

Hmmmm....go sub-9 at a Challenge race and get my entry fee back and a special t-shirt. Go sub-9 at a WTC race and go to Kona.

Decisions, decisions......

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Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 14:13

Post #20 of 45 (10324 views)

"Did I mention the course is stupid fast (and I suspect short)? "
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Out of curiosity, have you done it? No doubt it *can* be a fast course. However, there have been many friends over the years who have been surprised when reality strikes - remember when reality struck Mark Allen on that course? I doubt he thought it was either fast or short after the fact!

I've done the race 5 times (6th upcoming) and have had friends have their feeling hurt really bad when they didn't go fast or when the course bit them. For example, my Roth times are statistically on par with my (old) Ironman Canada times when done at similar ages

Of course there have also been contentions that there has been draft effects from the lead motorbikes, which has happened on many courses. That many only applies to the very front.

Personally, what I think what makes this course have the real potential to be fast is 1) lots of competition, 2) unbelievable spectator and community support, 3) and rather decent weather that usually doesn't suffer for some of the real extremes.
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Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [synthetic] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 14:15

Post #21 of 45 (10321 views)

synthetic wrote:

NordicSkier wrote:

The time limits are well known when you sign up (or you should have read them).
No excuses.

I knew about the time limits, just figured I show why the challenge series is better (competitive vs completitive). I did not know about the sub 9 refund policy.

Challenge AC 17 hour cut off
Challenge Penticton 17 hour cut off
Challenge Taiwan 17 hour cut off
Challenge Wanaka 17 hour cut off

Ironman France, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark are all 16 hour cut offs

And so on...

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Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [rbuike] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 14:37

Post #22 of 45 (10272 views)

Rodney, please stop polluting this thread with actual facts.

Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [mbwallis] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 14:40

Post #23 of 45 (10259 views)

mbwallis wrote:

Rodney, please stop polluting this thread with actual facts.

So I shouldn't mention that it wasn't Challenge that made Roth a 15 hour cut off but that is the way it was when it was a WTC race? Or that Ironman Frankfurt "just down the road" from Roth is also 15 hours?

Rodney
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Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [rbuike] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 14:42

Post #24 of 45 (10255 views)

I guess I should have used pink.

Re: Challenge Roth, WTC take note [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]

Jun 3, 14 14:48

Post #25 of 45 (10243 views)

Bryancd wrote:

Actually from an AG perspective, I bet Roth has more some 9 finishes then any other 140.6 event. Did I mention the course is stupid fast (and I suspect short)?

Yeah, and it's the same for everyone. If you want to be in that lottery, go for it. Otherwise...

Move along. Especially with the suspect conjecture. Not productive.

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