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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [walfisch] [ In reply to ]
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walfisch wrote:
Is there anywhere I can get information about the aerobar pad and grip widths?

From the photos I have seen, it seems that the aero position is too narrow for me, but numbers would help


Post in the Canyon Speedmax CF SLX fit thread (LINK) and Ian will be able to help with that.

Cheers, Ray
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [damon.lebeouf] [ In reply to ]
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damon.lebeouf wrote:
although you're correct and i was thinking the same thing when the bike was unveiled, if you blatantly steal everything good from every option out there and put it into one attractive package you arguably have the best product out there.


I tend to agree with your conclusion but don't see incorporating good ideas into product as "stealing" unless we are talking about IP infringement. So the fact that Canyon took a "best of breed" approach to designing this bike is very compelling IMHO. They sought to eliminate the typical "I like Bike X, but it's missing [name your favorite feature(s)]." The new Speedmax ticks a lot of boxes, and does so in a very clean, integrated manner. It's about as outwardly minimal as one could expect from a tri/TT bike, which I find very appealing. Now just need to get the Blue Chrome bike offered in the US!



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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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Has anyone taken delivery of any of the new Speedmax models yet, and would like to share any initial thoughts?

Mine is due end of Jan, but I’m sure some will have been delivered by now.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [mrlobber] [ In reply to ]
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I've read through this entire thread, and while most of the comments are in reference to the Speedmax CFR or CF SLX, I wanted to ask peoples' thoughts on the new CF 8 Disc eTap. I'm in the market for a new bike, and I was pretty set on the Trek Speed Concept because I already have Zipp 808 NSW wheels that are rim brake. I live in Chicago where it is dead flat and the reality is that if the weather is bad, I'm going to jump on Zwift before riding in the rain, so the two major reasons for upgrading to a disc-specific bike (descending and bad weather) are out. I built up a Project One Speed Concept with stock paint option, Ultegra Di2, and the stock wheels (Aeolus Comp 5) with my LBS. List price is $6,205 after adding the bento box and draft box. He said he would do it for $6,000.

I was pretty happy and was ready to pull the trigger......and then I saw Canyon released the CF 8 Disc eTap for $6,500. This comes with Zipp 404/808 firecrest wheels, SRAM AXS Force eTap and power meter. I would put on the Profile Design Aeria hydration on the front end for another $250 and be race ready for $6,700. I could then either sell the 808 NSW wheels or keep them on my road bike (Cervelo S5 rim brake).

I really like the eTap over Di2 (personal preference) and the addition of a power meter would be great. Is anyone else looking at this model? The CF SLX and CFR are out of my price range, plus I really don't like the internal hydration (much prefer an easier to clean system).

Would like any and all recommendations, thanks!
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [DhobiWanKenobi] [ In reply to ]
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DhobiWanKenobi wrote:
Has anyone taken delivery of any of the new Speedmax models yet, and would like to share any initial thoughts?

Mine is due end of Jan, but I’m sure some will have been delivered by now.


I would love to hear any report too. They have processed my payment last week and scheduled to ship Jan 4-8. Hopefully....
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [sboyer27] [ In reply to ]
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That model of Canyon has a list price in the UK of £7k which is equivalent to $9288. This is on par with full price options of similarly equipped bikes from the major brands and its why there have been a lot of comments from Europe and UK, being the historical target market for Canyon, taking a pass. If they were selling them in Europe for the prices you are seeing it would be a different story and I think there would have been a lot less nit-picking over the details.

However if it was my money I would buy the Speedmax CF SLX 8.0 SL. You will have no problem selling the wheels for $1000 making the price $6500. Combined with the wheels you already have you will have a bike that Canyons says is within 9 watts of the Canyons current super bike and given Canyon has never detailed that 9 watt number it may be much closer when you compare like-for-like setups.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
TheStroBro wrote:
However, today, there are no cost savings.


I disagree in general.

The Aeroad CFR Disc Red AXS (e.g. a completely loaded aero road bike) is $9000 USD.

The Trek Madone SLR 9 with Red AXS is $12,500.

Tarmac SL7 with Red is $12,300.

Same with MTB. A Lux CF SLX 9 LTD, an absolute high-end XC bike is $7500. S-Works Epic is $11,500.

The price differentials carry all the way down to entry-level.

I agree that the $12K high end on this bike is about the same as the high end Cervelo, Specialized bikes.


Never buy complete bikes from them, buy separately, save 30%.
Madone SLR:
Frame - 3700
Seatpost -150
Handlebar - 300
DA Di2 - 2000
Bontraxger XXX 6 - 2400
Saddle - 200
Total $8750, not $12500.

You can build Speed Concept the same way, it will not be more than $9000 for the top loaded bike.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Ksavostin] [ In reply to ]
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When they do these aero shootouts in the wind tunnel, where canyon is just behind cervelo and specialised, do they acknowledge that the canyon has the drink bottles, bento, tools installed already or are they comparing to bare bikes?
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Ksavostin] [ In reply to ]
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Ksavostin wrote:
You can build Speed Concept the same way, it will not be more than $9000 for the top loaded bike.

That's odd. I always thought, without checking, that those package deals were always a bargain.

Another general tactic is just buy 2 year-old new old stock. Frames what were $4-5K seem to be $2-3K. (I'm bike shopping now).
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Price of the Speedmax Disc SLX 8 has just increased in the UK by £450. I only notice this because the price of my order - which hasn’t been dispatched yet - has increased to reflect that.

Not sure if the others have changed also.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [DhobiWanKenobi] [ In reply to ]
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Oh really? What is the price now? It is still 8.5k on the website.

I note that the XS of the bikes only come with 650c wheels. Does anyone have any ideas how that affects riding/speed etc?
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [shammad10] [ In reply to ]
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It was £8K when I ordered end of Nov, now £8.5K.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [DhobiWanKenobi] [ In reply to ]
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Did canyon let you know about it/ give you an explanation?
I guess we have brexit to thank for that.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [shammad10] [ In reply to ]
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shammad10 wrote:
Did canyon let you know about it/ give you an explanation?
I guess we have brexit to thank for that.

No, I only realised when I noticed today that the difference of £450 was pending to come out of my account. When I checked my order status on the site, the price of the bike was showing that increase.

Customer service are looking into it for me, and I hope it’s resolved - been waiting a long time for this to be released/dispatched and it is already more than I had intended to spend!

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [DhobiWanKenobi] [ In reply to ]
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That's so frustrating. Hope you manage to get it sorted- they really should honour the price you ordered it for.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [shammad10] [ In reply to ]
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shammad10 wrote:
That's so frustrating. Hope you manage to get it sorted- they really should honour the price you ordered it for.

Thanks, I imagine they will, and I’ll wait to pass judgement until they get back to me properly.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Ksavostin] [ In reply to ]
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Is the frameset available? I can't find it on the website. Price ?

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So I have narrowed down my decisions for a TT bike for 2021. Looking like I will opt for the Speedmax 8 CF Disc (Ultegra di2).

One question, I am kind of done with boring black bikes over the years. The only other option is the Mint Green. What are others thoughts on this colour? I'm not sure if it looks a bit weird or not...[/url][/img]
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [walfisch] [ In reply to ]
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walfisch wrote:
Is there anywhere I can get information about the aerobar pad and grip widths?

From the photos I have seen, it seems that the aero position is too narrow for me, but numbers would help


The fit is narrow.

I am using the original pads, and at their widest setting, I measure it at 160mm from center of pad to center of pad.

The piece that supports the pads...it would be easy for Canyon to make a wider version of it to support wider fits, I do not know why they did not do that yet.

As for the bike in person....the di2 version in New Blue...it looks amazing!
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Darren325] [ In reply to ]
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Darren325 wrote:
walfisch wrote:
Is there anywhere I can get information about the aerobar pad and grip widths?

From the photos I have seen, it seems that the aero position is too narrow for me, but numbers would help


The fit is narrow.

I am using the original pads, and at their widest setting, I measure it at 160mm from center of pad to center of pad.

The piece that supports the pads...it would be easy for Canyon to make a wider version of it to support wider fits, I do not know why they did not do that yet.

As for the bike in person....the di2 version in New Blue...it looks amazing!

Thanks for the info! Tried simulating a 160mm width and my body protested haha
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [walfisch] [ In reply to ]
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I'm sure using culprit csr pads you can achieve wider. I am hoping to check pad position on it in near future.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [culpritbicycles] [ In reply to ]
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Got my Speedmax Disc delivered yesterday. It has to wait a while though before heading out on the roads in Sweden.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [david222] [ In reply to ]
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David - any other pics you can share? Canyon USA has held steady on 2/8 ordering date...so I'm holding my breath. I really, really like the look and the spec of the CF SLX and would've ordered already if it was available. Please, share a few more pics to tide me over...
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Brytcyd] [ In reply to ]
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Having received my Speedmax Disc SLX a few weeks ago, I thought I would share my impressions of the buying experience. The weather has been nice here in Taiwan, but have not had too much time to ride it yet due to the fit issue I describe in the write up. That is being resolved as we speak and Saturday, I will be able to ride it as intended and I can't wait. I posted this review originally on the Canyon Bike FB group where I have pictures and edited it a bit more here. I don't have a separate server to post pictures to Slowtwitch. If you add me on FB, I have shared pics of this beast excessively!. :)


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Speedmax Disc SLX buying experience.
I bought it November 19, changed my mind on color, place a new order on November 26 expected delivery Dec 21. Awesome customer service and information from the chat.
Ordered the long stem and the long extensions, size medium. 180cm tall, 81cm inseam. Measured my existing bike fit as per Canyon instructions, including forearm length. Also know my X Y coordinates that are not used by Canyon in sizing and fitting. Speedmax team contacted me and told me I needed the short stem and shorter extensions. After some skeptical back and forth with the team, I went with their recommendations. In the Canyon Speedmax Disc fit page, Ian told me I needed the long stem and long extensions. However, given I was not 100% sure that I was correct, I went with Canyon's advice as it's their bike. I also figured that if I am right, this is their fault, and they have to fix it. If I ordered the large and long and I was wrong, I would be left holding the bag. As it turns out, my bike fitter has a customer facing this exact situation. Canyon would not replace the parts for free. (The stem is attached to the base bar...it will retail for $399USD on the Canyon international website. When he relented on being provided a replacement and asked to purchase the new stem/bar, he was told they do not have any for sale yet and not sure when.)
January 7 the bike ships. A little late but reasonable.
Bike arrives in perfect condition. It looks even better (much better) than how the "New Blue" presents on the website. The YouTube video for unpacking was easy to build the bike. The only slightly tricky part is setting up the internal hydration the first time. It is MUCH easier the second time. Not sure it's something I would use every single ride, but in terms of installing/uninstalling, it's not very difficult. It was yet another huge cost savings with the Canyon has it really does come assembled. Basically put the wheels on, velcro in the pads on the arm pads, and set your preferred angle on the extensions. Adjusting the aero bar from the shipped "medium" setting is a different animal however.

Sunday trip to my bike fitter to place the bar in the coordinates we already planned when I ordered the bike. Clearly, the bike is too short. The aero bar is also not the easiest by far to adjust. My setting is low with just one single spacer and a 10 degree tilt spacer; this tilts the pads and the bar all in one go. Check your fit width, as based on my measurements, the max width from mid pad to mid pad is 160mm. Perfect for me, but as mentioned in this thread before, perhaps too narrow for some. This is something that would be difficult to do without a bit of experience and know how. The instruction manual tries to be clear, but it's still tricky until you get it. If you are going to adjust this on your own, I would ask for some help from someone who has done it before. The Canyon video makes it look a lot easier than I think most people will find it to be.
Contact Canyon about the measurements. They double check the measurements and Nicole B. gets back to me; yes, it's their fault, they are going to get new parts out to me.
Owing to it being a new bike, no spares in stock. (the stem and base bar are one piece; this is not a trivial cost issue if you get it wrong when ordering and it's your fault. Be super careful with your measurements, understand what you need, and be more assertive with the fit team that contacts you after buying. I have now warned you twice!). Parts need to be removed from production. Takes just over two weeks. Superstars: Nicole B. and Daniel K. Great service and help.
Canyon also offered cash compensation to pay for the work to switch the bar and extensions, brakes and di2 reconnection. I asked if they would give that as a discount off the price of the large arm pads I want to order. Canyon immediately placed an order for these for free. Stellar. Above and beyond. The large arm pads were initially scheduled to ship in March but may be closer to June. I'm 100% fine with that. Initially I changed the stock pads when I got the bike as they are very small. Now that the bike is going to be configured 100% correctly per my fit, I am back on the Ergon pads and they are super comfortable and no issues. I assume the large pads will just be more of an already great thing!
The bike is beautiful, well thought out, and high quality. My friend got the chrome blue CFR; I worried I'd be super jealous of the paint job. But as a DT Swiss brand ambassador, I can get the ARC 1100 wheels (SLX ships with 1400 wheels, 80mm rear, 62mm front; my preferred depth) and couldn't justify the $2400USD price increase for the paint and Dura ace crank I won't be using. Super happy with the New Blue; both the CFR and the SLX are beautiful bikes; different not better in terms of aesthetics in my opinion.
What should Canyon do for this bike?
Allow custom cranks. I ride 160mm cranks for tri; the crank supplied was never going to work on this bike for me. I have a use for it and the power meter for my road bike, so it still had value to me, but for many it will be hard to sell off.
The Garmin mount NEEDS to be included in the purchase. You can't really use the integrated hydration without it because you have no where to affix the magnetic attachment for the straw. The straw will flop around without this. MAKE SURE YOU ORDER this accessory when you order the bike. I also ordered the sweet rear bottle cage holder; make sure for your fit that enough of the seatpost will be exposed or you cannot use this option for rear hydration.
Overall?
Expected issues of a brand new bike, complicated integrated design, and the very narrow fit parameters of a tri bike fit. These will be tricky issues to navigate for first time tri bike riders. A professional fit is imperative in my view before buying this bike. The Canyon fit will get you the right frame size, but fitting the bar will be hit or miss. The range of adjustability on reach is the main limiter if you have a long fit. The bike geometry overall is very tall.

First impressions from riding the bike---smooth! The stiffness makes it very responsive and the muscular fork does not make the front vibrate. No twitchiness from the mono riser and the DT Swiss wheels really work with this bike. Canyon customer service held things together through the gaps and mistakes of the buying experience. I'm happy that I chose this bike and look forward to riding it to my fourth shot at the Big Dance in Kona.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Darren325] [ In reply to ]
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When you order a Speedmax Disc you get a document where you have some options, the website doesn't really show these options very clear I think so I uploaded the document, maybe it helps you! A Canyon employee also calls you to make these choices together with you, based on measurements (preferably a bikefit).

Click here for the PDF
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