Loosing my mind a bit over this.. been riding a P2 since 2012, targetted at long distance stuff.
Initial fit: 649S, 455R (BOP), 758 saddle (adamo, quite forward). Retul. Seemed fine if quite high in the front.. too newb to question really. Pic below is that fit (need to have a look for a more recent one).
Had an interim where I've lost the numbers, but he wanted me about as far back as the saddle would go and that sucked horribly. Self selected back towards a forward position over time - finished up basically where my initial fit was.
2018. Stack came down to 643, Reach 440, 749 saddle (down 1cm). Also looked at a 40k position where we dropped the stack 2cm and increased the reach the same.
Over time my saddle 'self selected' back to the near 760 point.
2019: Massive saddle issues. Tried multiple different things, can't ride the bike for >2hrs. Sores, etc.
Went for a 'saddle fit'. Guy spends a lot of time with me, to the tune that my fit is wrong, it's not the saddle. I toe point naturally, but 25deg toe down and way too much knee extension is apparently dragging me into the saddle and causing problems. Had a lot of skepticism, but can see his point to some extent. He wants to rework everything, but at a minimum dropped my saddle to 740, which gives me a knee extension of 145, and about 20deg toe point 'better'. Also wants to shorten my cranks (currently 170) - I'm terribly inflexible, and definitely 'bounce' a little away from the rising knee. I ride as far forward as the bike will let me give or take.. and he wants the bars up. 660ish.
Riding with a lower saddle feels like hell on my legs. Makes my quads hurt and feels like I can't push power. However I can at least sit down..
I think 76cm was probably too high.
I'm not sure I want another fit - feels like everyone you see thinks a different thing, and tells you everyone else is wrong.
I keep coming back to the 'orthodoxy' chart where I'm very much 'narrow tall questionable'.
Also frustrated as I was looking to a new bike this year, but thoroughly fed up with the whole situ, def not thinking it's a good idea where I am with fit atm. Think I can forget the P5D!
Where to go from here?
Initial fit: 649S, 455R (BOP), 758 saddle (adamo, quite forward). Retul. Seemed fine if quite high in the front.. too newb to question really. Pic below is that fit (need to have a look for a more recent one).
Had an interim where I've lost the numbers, but he wanted me about as far back as the saddle would go and that sucked horribly. Self selected back towards a forward position over time - finished up basically where my initial fit was.
2018. Stack came down to 643, Reach 440, 749 saddle (down 1cm). Also looked at a 40k position where we dropped the stack 2cm and increased the reach the same.
Over time my saddle 'self selected' back to the near 760 point.
2019: Massive saddle issues. Tried multiple different things, can't ride the bike for >2hrs. Sores, etc.
Went for a 'saddle fit'. Guy spends a lot of time with me, to the tune that my fit is wrong, it's not the saddle. I toe point naturally, but 25deg toe down and way too much knee extension is apparently dragging me into the saddle and causing problems. Had a lot of skepticism, but can see his point to some extent. He wants to rework everything, but at a minimum dropped my saddle to 740, which gives me a knee extension of 145, and about 20deg toe point 'better'. Also wants to shorten my cranks (currently 170) - I'm terribly inflexible, and definitely 'bounce' a little away from the rising knee. I ride as far forward as the bike will let me give or take.. and he wants the bars up. 660ish.
Riding with a lower saddle feels like hell on my legs. Makes my quads hurt and feels like I can't push power. However I can at least sit down..
I think 76cm was probably too high.
I'm not sure I want another fit - feels like everyone you see thinks a different thing, and tells you everyone else is wrong.
I keep coming back to the 'orthodoxy' chart where I'm very much 'narrow tall questionable'.
Also frustrated as I was looking to a new bike this year, but thoroughly fed up with the whole situ, def not thinking it's a good idea where I am with fit atm. Think I can forget the P5D!
Where to go from here?